UA to retire 22 757s in 2013 -- feelings on this action?
Jan 28, 2013, 10:22 am
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to the retirement of the UA 752's. Since moving to SAN I have spent a ton of time on these birds, they are great! The pay IFE on a TCON in Y is a real kick in the teeth (IMO). Even if they provided 1 channel that was a free loop of the stuff like the sUA fleet is showing it would be better.
Whats next? Hemispheres magazine will be in a vending machine by the lav?
Jan 28, 2013, 10:22 am
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Less comfortable seats: entirely subjective. Not exactly specific to the aircraft type either, UA would have to upgrade the old seats in the 752 sooner rather than later and the industry trend is towards modern, lightweight, less padded seats.
IFE: Same. Sooner or later the IFE on the old 752s would have been upgraded to modern standards, if they were being kept. Whether or not it is pay per view in the future is also not dependent on the aircraft type
Lower cruising altitude: Be careful of what you believe on internet forums. A 3 second search showed the following as an example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N.../KRSW/tracklog
Believe me, it can cruise a lot higher than FL320.
Performance: You will find that in most cases on domestic flights the 752 will operate at a similar cruising speed to the 737, mainly due to fuel burn. Therefore there is negligible difference on the vast majority of flights. And why would a passenger care about takeoff performance? It's up to the airline to schedule the right aircraft for the right mission.
IFE: Same. Sooner or later the IFE on the old 752s would have been upgraded to modern standards, if they were being kept. Whether or not it is pay per view in the future is also not dependent on the aircraft type
Lower cruising altitude: Be careful of what you believe on internet forums. A 3 second search showed the following as an example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N.../KRSW/tracklog
Believe me, it can cruise a lot higher than FL320.
Performance: You will find that in most cases on domestic flights the 752 will operate at a similar cruising speed to the 737, mainly due to fuel burn. Therefore there is negligible difference on the vast majority of flights. And why would a passenger care about takeoff performance? It's up to the airline to schedule the right aircraft for the right mission.
Jan 28, 2013, 10:26 am
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Those numbers are more of a testament to the effectiveness of the work performed to improve dispatch reliability of the sUA 757s than it is an indictment of the sCO 757 fleet, but you certainly may perceive it however you wish.
Jan 28, 2013, 10:28 am
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It's not an excuse by any means, but there is a lot more slack in the schedule of the sUA 757s than the sCO birds. This is entirely deliberate; earlier in 2012 when UA attempted to increase utilization of the 757 fleet, dispatch reliability fell apart. To overcome this, UA pushed more 757s through MCO to address deferred maintenance items and launched an interior refresh program. At the same time, additional spares and greater slack was built into the schedule. Obviously, the initiative worked because the reliability of the fleet is dramatically improved.
Those numbers are more of a testament to the effectiveness of the work performed to improve dispatch reliability of the sUA 757s than it is an indictment of the sCO 757 fleet, but you certainly may perceive it however you wish.
Those numbers are more of a testament to the effectiveness of the work performed to improve dispatch reliability of the sUA 757s than it is an indictment of the sCO 757 fleet, but you certainly may perceive it however you wish.
Jan 28, 2013, 10:31 am
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If you can show me a sustained, quantitative analysis that demonstrates there is a real difference then we're getting somewhere. I have't seen the data to support such a gap though.
How does on-time rate automatically translate into needing to look at aircraft reliability (of any aircraft type, not just 737s)?
Jan 28, 2013, 10:40 am
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I'll go out on a limb here and say that I'll take PPV live TV IFE over looped "comedy" every day of the week. Don't get me wrong, the pmUA 752 is my favorite domestic bird - I love the bulkhead rows in E+ and upgrades were relatively easy - but having a good selection of live TV during flight, even for a reasonable cost, seems better than watching the same couple of episodes of TV comedies all month long.
Jan 28, 2013, 10:45 am
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Personally I like the 739ER's newer and much more modern cabin. I may be in the minority but I don't mind paying for the IFE either since you are actually getting something for it.
Although it would be nice to have a few programs looping like someone suggested.
I'll miss boarding through 2L and the more FC seats but I enjoy watching football on a Sunday or Monday night flight more... even if I have to pay a few extra dollars for it.
Although it would be nice to have a few programs looping like someone suggested.
I'll miss boarding through 2L and the more FC seats but I enjoy watching football on a Sunday or Monday night flight more... even if I have to pay a few extra dollars for it.
Jan 28, 2013, 10:50 am
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I am not 100% sure this is the case with the 739, but in general the aisle on the 737s seems to be narrower than that of either the 752 or the Airbus twins. It was downright painful trying to get to the lav in Y on my 737 a week or so ago--squeezing past anyone in the aisle required feats of acrobatics.
Speaking of lavs, I love how the 752 has one at the front of Y in addition to the rear lavs; that always made it easier for pax in E+ to make use of them during transcons without having to stand in line for 20 minutes.
Speaking of lavs, I love how the 752 has one at the front of Y in addition to the rear lavs; that always made it easier for pax in E+ to make use of them during transcons without having to stand in line for 20 minutes.
Jan 28, 2013, 10:54 am
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It will be a sad day when the 757s are gone... certainly a sportscar for the skies. Contrary to somone's assertion, the 757 can fly significantly faster than a 737. Certainly the cocnomics negate some of that impact it is nice to have... where pilots can actually "make-up" time. Of course the CO fuel heging has made that cost dynamic even more profound.
Last, I wonder if the JS team re-thinks this as the 787 could be on the shelf for many more months. If they retire too many 757s and the 78 isn't available, they will need to really work on their scheduling.
Last, I wonder if the JS team re-thinks this as the 787 could be on the shelf for many more months. If they retire too many 757s and the 78 isn't available, they will need to really work on their scheduling.
Jan 28, 2013, 11:00 am
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I am not 100% sure this is the case with the 739, but in general the aisle on the 737s seems to be narrower than that of either the 752 or the Airbus twins. It was downright painful trying to get to the lav in Y on my 737 a week or so ago--squeezing past anyone in the aisle required feats of acrobatics.
Speaking of lavs, I love how the 752 has one at the front of Y in addition to the rear lavs; that always made it easier for pax in E+ to make use of them during transcons without having to stand in line for 20 minutes.
Speaking of lavs, I love how the 752 has one at the front of Y in addition to the rear lavs; that always made it easier for pax in E+ to make use of them during transcons without having to stand in line for 20 minutes.
According to Boeing the cabin width is the same on the 757 and 737:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...f_200tech.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737...00ER_back.html
Jan 28, 2013, 11:03 am
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Maybe you haven't flown on a 739 yet and only 738s?? 739s also have a lav at the front of the Y cabin like 757s.
According to Boeing the cabin width is the same on the 757 and 737:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...f_200tech.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737...00ER_back.html
According to Boeing the cabin width is the same on the 757 and 737:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...f_200tech.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737...00ER_back.html
Jan 28, 2013, 11:06 am
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Like another poster, i liked boarding in the middle of the plane, the multiple bulkhead/exit rows compared to the 737s. When upgraded, it does make a much more pleasant preflight service, and bag stowing.