UA to retire 22 757s in 2013 -- feelings on this action?
Jul 21, 2013, 10:54 am
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ORD-SFO is becoming 737 hell! I looked today and only 2 flights with the beloved 757. I will miss you 757, you were always there for my ORD-SFO runs. I'm flexible enough, where I can stay away from the 737's. the day will come where all domestic 757's will be gone.
A sad day in aviation, hopefully I can fly the last domestic 757. My favorite was ORD-DTW or IND on a 757. Listening to Ch 9 with the Captain requested immediate 320 Altitude after takeoff. I think we made it in 6 min. Amazing aircraft!
A sad day in aviation, hopefully I can fly the last domestic 757. My favorite was ORD-DTW or IND on a 757. Listening to Ch 9 with the Captain requested immediate 320 Altitude after takeoff. I think we made it in 6 min. Amazing aircraft!
Jul 21, 2013, 2:55 pm
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I'm going to miss the 757's on BOS-SFO. Especially the 6am flight.
The Airbii and the 737's fly slightly slower than the 757's. When you add up the speed difference over a ~2400 mile flight, the time difference is significant. Especially when you now have a 1h 10m connection in SFO to the NRT flight.
That doesn't include arrival delays due to the winter headwinds.
UA - If we're retiring all the domestic 752's, please move departure times accordingly. 5.30am BOS-SFO would be ideal.
The Airbii and the 737's fly slightly slower than the 757's. When you add up the speed difference over a ~2400 mile flight, the time difference is significant. Especially when you now have a 1h 10m connection in SFO to the NRT flight.
That doesn't include arrival delays due to the winter headwinds.
UA - If we're retiring all the domestic 752's, please move departure times accordingly. 5.30am BOS-SFO would be ideal.
Average actual time, UAL KBOS-KSFO year to date, for the 6a departure:
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acft | flight | block -------+-----------------+----------------- B738 | 06:05:23.708333 | 06:28:31.875 B739 | 06:01:08.981481 | 06:24:56.666667 B752 | 05:56:52.989362 | 06:21:27.12766
Jul 21, 2013, 3:39 pm
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Jul 21, 2013, 4:15 pm
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UAs new E175 are going to be 12/16/48. I wonder what the
What is AA using the A321T for? Their equivalent to PS transcon service? So we should compare it straight up to the new PS 752?
Then again, the A321T is a huge upgrade, being 10 lie flat F/20 lie flat J/36Y+/36Y.
Jul 21, 2013, 4:35 pm
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Jul 21, 2013, 4:39 pm
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A321 Transcontinental
- The First Class cabin will be outfitted with 10 fully lie-flat seats in a 1-1 configuration giving every seat direct aisle access – a feature that no other domestic airline offers.
- The Business Class cabin will be outfitted with 20 fully lie-flat seats, designed by BE, in a 2-2 configuration.
- In the Main Cabin, the seats will be designed by Recaro and arranged in a 3-3 configuration. The option to enjoy more legroom is available with 36 Main Cabin Extra seats and the aircraft also offers 36 Main Cabin seats.
- American plans to outfit the entire aircraft with seat-to-seat chat; live text news and weather updates, 3-D moving maps, airport maps, connecting gate information, and more.
- For customers traveling in the premium class cabins, a complimentary inflight entertainment selection of up to 75 movies, more than 150 TV programs, more than 350 audio selections and up to 15 games will be available on a 15.4-inch HD-capable touchscreen monitor positioned in each seat. Bose® QuietComfort® 15 Acoustic Noise Cancelling® headsets will be available.
- In Main Cabin every seatback will have an 8.9-inch HD-capable touchscreen monitor with an assortment of movies, TV programs, games and audio selections.
- American intends to take delivery of these aircraft beginning in Nov. 2013 through 2014. The A321 transcontinental aircraft will replace American's existing fleet of Boeing 767-200s and fly between New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) and San Francisco International Airport (SFO) and JFK and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX).
Jul 21, 2013, 7:13 pm
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Jul 24, 2013, 10:20 pm
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Usually, a 757 is the airplane for the luxury fuel stop trip to Europe.
but since UA says they don't have extra wide-bodies at this moment....
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Jul 25, 2013, 12:25 am
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I will miss the center boarding door and 24 first class seats on the 757. The cabins are getting tired, and I guess the economics are in favor of replacing with a new aircraft.
The 737 is probably at its maximum stretch. It is just a very overall cramped aircraft. The A321 maybe could be stretched to provide a center boarding door and separate domestic first class cabin.
Because of the center boarding door, there is just no current domestic replacement for the 757. I think that the first time I flew the 757 was in the Fall of 1982 on Eastern Airlines from MIA-ATL.
The trend is cramped aircraft. 1950's width 737's and 9 across coach in the 787. DVT Liners.
The 737 is probably at its maximum stretch. It is just a very overall cramped aircraft. The A321 maybe could be stretched to provide a center boarding door and separate domestic first class cabin.
Because of the center boarding door, there is just no current domestic replacement for the 757. I think that the first time I flew the 757 was in the Fall of 1982 on Eastern Airlines from MIA-ATL.
The trend is cramped aircraft. 1950's width 737's and 9 across coach in the 787. DVT Liners.
Jul 25, 2013, 6:31 am
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I will miss the center boarding door and 24 first class seats on the 757. The cabins are getting tired, and I guess the economics are in favor of replacing with a new aircraft.
The 737 is probably at its maximum stretch. It is just a very overall cramped aircraft. The A321 maybe could be stretched to provide a center boarding door and separate domestic first class cabin.
Because of the center boarding door, there is just no current domestic replacement for the 757. I think that the first time I flew the 757 was in the Fall of 1982 on Eastern Airlines from MIA-ATL.
The trend is cramped aircraft. 1950's width 737's and 9 across coach in the 787. DVT Liners.
The 737 is probably at its maximum stretch. It is just a very overall cramped aircraft. The A321 maybe could be stretched to provide a center boarding door and separate domestic first class cabin.
Because of the center boarding door, there is just no current domestic replacement for the 757. I think that the first time I flew the 757 was in the Fall of 1982 on Eastern Airlines from MIA-ATL.
The trend is cramped aircraft. 1950's width 737's and 9 across coach in the 787. DVT Liners.
The A321 has a door 2 that can be used for boarding and is at its maximum stretch.
Jul 25, 2013, 8:33 am
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And I may have read that even though the A321 was designed for mid-cabin boarding, that it was prone to engine damage from the jetway?
I have seen the following posted on the internet, but could not vouch for the info:
"The Boeing 707, 727, 737 all have the same interior cabin width - 3.4 m.
The Boeing 757 has a completely new cabin, and is slightly wider at 3.5 m.
The Airbus A318, A319, A320, A321 all have an even wider cabin width - 3.70m"
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Jul 25, 2013, 8:38 am
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If I remember correctly, the 707, 727, 737, and 757 all have about the same cabin width, and the 707 was sized for six across 1950's relatively thin US passengers.
And I may have read that even though the A321 was designed for mid-cabin boarding, that it was prone to engine damage from the jetway?
And I may have read that even though the A321 was designed for mid-cabin boarding, that it was prone to engine damage from the jetway?
Jul 25, 2013, 9:37 am
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Thanks for the update. I basically agree. If I remember correctly, the 707, 727, 737, and 757 all have about the same cabin width, and the 707 was sized for six across 1950's relatively thin US passengers.
And I may have read that even though the A321 was designed for mid-cabin boarding, that it was prone to engine damage from the jetway?
I have seen the following posted on the internet, but could not vouch for the info:
"The Boeing 707, 727, 737 all have the same interior cabin width - 3.4 m.
The Boeing 757 has a completely new cabin, and is slightly wider at 3.5 m.
The Airbus A318, A319, A320, A321 all have an even wider cabin width - 3.70m"
And I may have read that even though the A321 was designed for mid-cabin boarding, that it was prone to engine damage from the jetway?
I have seen the following posted on the internet, but could not vouch for the info:
"The Boeing 707, 727, 737 all have the same interior cabin width - 3.4 m.
The Boeing 757 has a completely new cabin, and is slightly wider at 3.5 m.
The Airbus A318, A319, A320, A321 all have an even wider cabin width - 3.70m"
Boeing originally intended the 707 be 5 across, the airlines demanded 6 across seating.
Jul 25, 2013, 10:00 am
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Some airlines adopted a 5-abreast 'club' section on the 707, but 6 across was almost always the standard economy class configuration for the 707.
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