GUWonder

The UK uses APIS to grab people it wants on arrival at UK airports. Also, while I can't speak to STN, at some UK and other EU airports there has been some FRT used to pick people out in crowds and grab wanted persons even when passport control has not scanned the passport of the wanted persons.

Companies are selling this stuff to governments/airports:

http://news.cnet.com/Can-face-recogn..._3-275313.html

Silver Fox

Crikey. Aside from getting it sorted out I would not take the risk no matter what people told me about "do they, don't they". He is not a Premier League footballer is he ?

Andy33

My "naivety" is perhaps less you think. having friends and family on both sides of the ROI/NI border. At the level of immigration/customs/police officers there was and is a lot of co-operation, often openly, sometimes unofficially. At governmental level more or less at times the further back you go, though I've heard no suggestions that since the 1990s they don't co-operate on this sort of matter.

Since the UK uses APIS, if the ROI has informed the UK the OP's brother is wanted, immigration and police will certainly be able to intercept him. Whether they actually do depends on if a warrant has been issued that's enforceable in the UK (eg extradition or European Arrest), or if there is enough time between his details showing up on APIS and actual entry clearance for the ROI to produce such a warrant.

ferg01

Jesus are we actually helping this guys "brother"??

Why don't you tell your pal to stop trying to dodge a warrant which is what anyone with an actual sense of morality would do?

UKtravelbear

I did try and help him - see post #6 - by telling him this

OP has not been back since 8th Feb. I don't think he will be back.

ferg01

Yes - sorry, you're quite right. My post was intended to be more a comment on the general thread than on specific responses. Apologies, I have never seen red like that before on a flyertalk forum.

Silver Fox

The cure for that is to visit the BAEC forum.

GUWonder

With the UK getting a deal to do what it wants with Schengen information systems data, increased Irish cooperation, and the MEPs jumping on board a mass surveillance system of airline passengers, things will be tightening up significantly unless managing to avoid FRT flagging AND/or using a passport or national ID in a fraudulent manner.

UKtravelbear

No worries.

There does seem to be a tendency for people on FT to start to suggest ways around a problem when in reality some blunt speaking is needed.

You'll gather I'm in the latter camp!

ajax

You mean the "BA doesn't serve diet Sprite on long-haul, I'm never flying this crappy airline again!" forum?

Or the "as long as you don't arrive dead, you should be grateful, let me tell you about how hard I had it as a wee lad in Glasgow" forum?

Oh, I could go on

GUWonder

Many people think it is moral for the public to know about the surveillance/monitoring/spying capabilities of their home government(s) and/or any and all host governments relevant to the free individuals and the travels of free individuals.

I don't find that the communication of information is moral or immoral in and of itself. Making (or keeping) the public ignorant of governmental capabilities to track and control the public seems an antithesis to a healthy, democratic society that not only respects individual liberties but also actively protects them from being undermined from within or without.

ferg01

I didn't realise Edward Snowden was an FTer...

There's a marked difference between the simply the communication of information and providing it to help someone around a warrant.

callum9999

How exactly are you defining morality? On the proviso that you aren't hurting others, I'd personally label self-preservation as incredibly moral.

Don't get me wrong, there does need to be consequences for breaking laws - and if he ever turns up in Ireland I'd agree he should be arrested - but I think your desire for him to be arrested is more along the lines of vengeance (no doubt dressed up as "justice") than morality.

ferg01

Hmm, good point. I suppose I was referring to morality in the sense that you should hold yourself to account for your actions. Dodging a warrant / self preservation is indeed probably something we would all think about in this situation but that doesn't make it less wrong and doesn't invalidate my response.

I would say that your proviso is not applicable in this instance given the charge involved.

callum9999

Who says they aren't "holding themselves to account"? It doesn't necessarily make it "right" to dodge a warrant, but I still don't think it's immoral.

I don't see how you could possibly say that without knowing the exact charge. Though how do you think not submitting to an Irish court is harming other people in this scenario?