A new London Underground map?
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A new London Underground map?
Not yet, though it's a possibility.
I thought that Harry Beck's masterpiece as revised was unbeatable - a diagram rather than a map, whose clarity is outstanding. Nevertheless, with the recent additions of Overground and DLR, it can sometimes be a bit unwieldy.
The Independent has an interesting article and shows (part of) Mark Noad's suggestion for a revised map.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-2337609.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...action=Gallery
Easier to read at http://www.london-tubemap.com/
I'm impressed. The proposal places stations in closer context with each other and shows where lines merge and cross more graphically. How many knew that Mornington Crescent is actually on the eastern link between Camden Town and Euston, for example? (The current map suggests that it's on the western link.)
In another thread, somebody admitted that they had taken the Tube between Charing Cross and Embankment, something Londoners are unlikely to do as the stations are so close. Similary, Leicester Square to Covent Garden is a simple walk. These are shown more clearly in Mark Noad's version.
Bayswater to Queensway, anyone? Much simpler to judge the distance on the new version.
I thought that Harry Beck's masterpiece as revised was unbeatable - a diagram rather than a map, whose clarity is outstanding. Nevertheless, with the recent additions of Overground and DLR, it can sometimes be a bit unwieldy.
The Independent has an interesting article and shows (part of) Mark Noad's suggestion for a revised map.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-2337609.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...action=Gallery
Easier to read at http://www.london-tubemap.com/
I'm impressed. The proposal places stations in closer context with each other and shows where lines merge and cross more graphically. How many knew that Mornington Crescent is actually on the eastern link between Camden Town and Euston, for example? (The current map suggests that it's on the western link.)
In another thread, somebody admitted that they had taken the Tube between Charing Cross and Embankment, something Londoners are unlikely to do as the stations are so close. Similary, Leicester Square to Covent Garden is a simple walk. These are shown more clearly in Mark Noad's version.
Bayswater to Queensway, anyone? Much simpler to judge the distance on the new version.
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I think that geographically representative maps have their place, but it's no way near as clear as the Beck-derived map, even with the Overground (and presumably eventually Crossrail) lines in place.
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In another thread, somebody admitted that they had taken the Tube between Charing Cross and Embankment, something Londoners are unlikely to do as the stations are so close. Similary, Leicester Square to Covent Garden is a simple walk. These are shown more clearly in Mark Noad's version.
The Tube map is becoming less relavent as technology improves, anyway. It shows just one part of a very complex, integrated transport network. Showing stations more geographically might help a few situations when it is quicker to walk than take the tube, but there are also countless journeys where it is quicker to take a bus or National Rail train than the tube. Obviously you can't show all those or the map quickly becomes impossibly complex.
Even with semi-geographical accuracy it is hard to convey, on a map, the relative speeds of the different lines. It can't tell you that, for example, the Circle line is slow and clunky and often has long delays between trains, while, say, the Victoria and Central lines have very fast and frequent services.
We now have access to real-time journey planners in our pockets which consider countless combinations of routes to find the fastest way to get somewhere at any given moment. These are only going to get better with time.
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And maybe someday we'll be able to get signal (mobile data or WiFi) underground (even if just on the platforms) to use those journey planners when we get somewhere and discover that there's an unplanned service interruption and we need to figure out the most efficient way to get to our destination.
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http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...and-Budget.pdf
Interestingly this map doesn't show some other projects which are likely to happen by then, such as the Croxley-Watford Junction Metropolitan line extension (http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...emes/2053.aspx) and the Northern line Battersea extension (http://www.northernlineextension.com/) - but I guess they only wanted to show things that are actually under construction already.
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And maybe someday we'll be able to get signal (mobile data or WiFi) underground (even if just on the platforms) to use those journey planners when we get somewhere and discover that there's an unplanned service interruption and we need to figure out the most efficient way to get to our destination.
Its something thats taken for granted in other cities, but putting a cellular network into the tunnels is presumably more of a challenge in London given the very restricted space on the deep tube lines.
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Lancaster Gate still looks a bit further from Paddington than it should be (it's a five minute walk). It's not a bad idea though, it doesn't seem much less clear than the existing version but it seems to be more reflective of real life geography
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There was a follow-up comment column:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...y-2338238.html
She goes on to mock the Brussels metro map :
and concludes:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...y-2338238.html
Natalie Haynes: The Tube map is misleading – that's its beauty
The thing is that London's Tube map is beautiful. Harry Beck's diagrammatic representation of how to get around the London Underground is also extremely effective ...
It does not, however, tell you everything you might want to know about London, above and below the pavement. It rudely makes stations look much further apart than they are in real life, especially if they're on different lines. The addition of the overground lines has made that all the more glaring – South Hampstead looks to be roughly as far from Euston as Machu Picchu, despite being a paltry six minutes away ...
Mark Noad designed his new map with the non-Londoner in mind: "A number of my friends from outside London and overseas have told me they found it confusing and made navigating the city difficult for them." Which is all very well, but has anyone asked if that is something which actually needs to be fixed?
The thing is that London's Tube map is beautiful. Harry Beck's diagrammatic representation of how to get around the London Underground is also extremely effective ...
It does not, however, tell you everything you might want to know about London, above and below the pavement. It rudely makes stations look much further apart than they are in real life, especially if they're on different lines. The addition of the overground lines has made that all the more glaring – South Hampstead looks to be roughly as far from Euston as Machu Picchu, despite being a paltry six minutes away ...
Mark Noad designed his new map with the non-Londoner in mind: "A number of my friends from outside London and overseas have told me they found it confusing and made navigating the city difficult for them." Which is all very well, but has anyone asked if that is something which actually needs to be fixed?
The whole point of visiting another city is that you have to learn how it works, and that shouldn't be too easy. Try to use the metro map in Brussels, and you will discover it's so far beyond baffling that it is simply easier to walk to your destination, or perhaps forget about going there, sit down and have a waffle. This leaves the metro system conveniently empty so that people who live and work in Brussels can get around with ease. It also adds considerably to the takings of waffle vendors all over the city.
I think we should make the Tube map as impenetrable as possible. The least we can do is add in the ghost stations which no longer exist, chuck a couple of extra rivers in up the top, and continue to pretend that Queensway is nowhere near Bayswater.
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Even though I come once or twice a month to London, this new map looks very useful for me and can help me choose the best travel options, just with a paper document, without the need for mobile or web apps. ^^
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I'm confused about the London Overground line.
Why include some routes & not others?
Looking at my old home town of Walthamstow, I noticed that the overground line at Walthamstow Queens Road was included but not the line from Liverpool Street to Chingford which connects with Walthamstow Central Underground.
As this is a major commuter route & within the travelcard Zones, why not include it?
Why include some routes & not others?
Looking at my old home town of Walthamstow, I noticed that the overground line at Walthamstow Queens Road was included but not the line from Liverpool Street to Chingford which connects with Walthamstow Central Underground.
As this is a major commuter route & within the travelcard Zones, why not include it?