Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Travel&Dining > TravelBuzz
Reload this Page >

Lying to get into Business class??

Register
Community
Wiki Posts
Today's Posts
Search

Lying to get into Business class??

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 25, 2015, 2:35 pm
  #31  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Europe & Indonesia
Programs: BAEC Gold, LH SEN, EK ex-Gold, IHG Plat
Posts: 11,571
Originally Posted by olliehassini
All theoretically of course
For a dose of reality do a FlyerTalk-wide advanced search using "self upgrader" as the keyword. Hours and hours of reading fun will be provided.
Maluku_Flyer is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2015, 1:04 am
  #32  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Programs: A3, AA. Plasticy things! That give me, y'know, Stuff!
Posts: 6,293
Originally Posted by GatoAndaluz
It isn't a crime to use subterfuge in an attempt to gain favorable exercise of an FA's discretion. It's very likely ineffective, and probably unethical, but a crime? Doubtful.
Definitely a crime in most ECL jurisdictions. Simple theft of service. No different from stealing cable service.
SeriouslyLost is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2015, 5:59 am
  #33  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: IAD/DCA
Posts: 31,797
SeriouslyLost, its all in how any conversation with staff goes
Kagehitokiri is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2015, 7:10 am
  #34  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: IAD/DCA/BWI or MEX
Programs: Somewhere in my wallet
Posts: 76
Originally Posted by SeriouslyLost
Definitely a crime in most ECL jurisdictions. Simple theft of service. No different from stealing cable service.
Definitely? I'd like to see the section of criminal code under which anyone has been/could be charged, in Europe or elsewhere. The theft of cable service is a bad analogy - a better one would be successfully requesting free cable service as an accommodation for a non-existent condition.

Too often people use 'criminal' as a synonym for 'unethical.' The lawyer in me rankles.
GatoAndaluz is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2015, 7:41 pm
  #35  
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Programs: HH Diamond, GHA Titanium
Posts: 1,961
Originally Posted by backprop
This doesn't work. The only way to get into business class for free is to dress really nicely (suit and tie or very conservative dress) and inquire with the GA.
Sarcasm? Hard to tell on the internetz sometimes.
shuigao is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 26, 2015, 8:57 pm
  #36  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: ORD, DEL
Programs: AA (Plt Pro; 1.5 MM)
Posts: 6,185
Making an unreasonable request is different from stealing. If the crew grants your request, I suppose they deserve a pax like you in Biz. That said, the "trick" is not likely to work.
aktchi is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 6:37 am
  #37  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Programs: AA
Posts: 377
Originally Posted by shuigao
Sarcasm? Hard to tell on the internetz sometimes.
backprop is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 6:45 am
  #38  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Massachusetts, USA; AA Plat, DL GM and Flying Colonel; Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 24,233
Originally Posted by aktchi
Making an unreasonable request is different from stealing. If the crew grants your request, I suppose they deserve a pax like you in Biz. That said, the "trick" is not likely to work.
I made a request like that once, on a Mexican airline from MEX to (I think, doesn't matter) MIA. My wife was on a business class award. I was on a paid economy ticket which I found out, too late, could not be upgraded. There was a vacant seat next to her. I asked the FA if I could sit there. He stood in the front door so nobody could see what he was doing, said in a loud voice "You must go to your seat in economy, sir," all the while gesturing frantically for me to sit down next to her right away because he couldn't keep the door blocked for very long!

In this case honesty paid off. I wouldn't have sat there without permission, though.
Efrem is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 8:36 am
  #39  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: IAD/DCA
Posts: 31,797
Efrem, great story
Kagehitokiri is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 11:35 am
  #40  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: ORD, DEL
Programs: AA (Plt Pro; 1.5 MM)
Posts: 6,185
Originally Posted by Efrem
In this case honesty paid off. I wouldn't have sat there without permission, though.
Great story. Of course, with that kind of permission, you could well be accused of stealing FC service and disregarding crew instructions.
aktchi is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 3:49 pm
  #41  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA ExP, Marriott Amb, National EAE, Hilton Diamond, SPG Plat (RIP), US CP (RIP)
Posts: 2,379
Originally Posted by Adam1222
I think FAs would all know that that is not the policy for handing an allergy on any airline and call BS on your theft.
Originally Posted by scottpenderson
Best case scenario, the FA escorts you back to your original seat. Worst case scenarios could be police meeting you upon landing, receiving a bill from the airline for the cost of a walk up business class ticket, or not being allowed to fly the airline again.
And the landing may be back at flight origin. If your "allergy" is that severe should you really be on the plane? I mean the cabins do share a common air handling system.
Last edited by Segments; Jul 27, 2015 at 8:20 pm
Segments is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 5:35 pm
  #42  
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: MCI
Programs: National Executive, Hertz Five Star, Hilton Diamond, BW Diamond
Posts: 323
I'm flying Allegiant on Friday. I'll wear my nice Hugo Boss jacket and try to sit in an exit row seat. I'll let you know how it goes.
DonCarpenter is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 5:57 pm
  #43  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Programs: A3, AA. Plasticy things! That give me, y'know, Stuff!
Posts: 6,293
Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
SeriouslyLost, its all in how any conversation with staff goes
Very true.


Originally Posted by GatoAndaluz
Definitely? I'd like to see the section of criminal code under which anyone has been/could be charged, in Europe or elsewhere. The theft of cable service is a bad analogy - a better one would be successfully requesting free cable service as an accommodation for a non-existent condition.
I wouldn't know about "most of the EU" because I mentioned ECL, not EUL, but two simple ones for starters:

New Zealand law.

UK law.

Cable infrastructure is not the same as cable service. In the same way, the J seat in an airline is not the same thing as stealing use of service in J by assuming the seat. The analogy is perfectly fine for purposes here.


Too often people use 'criminal' as a synonym for 'unethical.' The lawyer in me rankles.
The lawyer in me got over that years ago and (usually) knows to tailor language to the conversation as appropriate.
SeriouslyLost is offline  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 6:00 pm
  #44  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: where lions are led by donkeys...
Programs: Lifetime Gold, Global Entry, Hertz PC, and my wallet
Posts: 20,343
Where is it that your school trip is going? Anywhere nice?
Silver Fox is online now  
Reply
Old Jul 27, 2015, 7:28 pm
  #45  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7,875
Originally Posted by Delta Hog
Elaine Benes tried, and failed. And she was really cute. So, I don't hold high hopes for this plan.
That's cause it is on Seinfeld. In real life she would have succeeded.
s0ssos is offline  
Reply



Advanced Search
Reply Closed Thread Share
Forum Jump

Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.