How many laws would I be breaking if someone fly in my place?
#1
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How many laws would I be breaking if someone fly in my place?
Hello FTers,
Speaking hypothetically here:
- We know that you can fly domestically without ID (I've done it)
- In order to accrue EQM mileage, you need to fly
- People do mileage runs to reach the next level
- For some people, the time is harder to come by than the money for the mileage run
What if you had someone fly using your name, not show an ID, and they racked up a mileage run or two for you?
How many laws would be broken? Has anyone attempted this?
Thanks.
Speaking hypothetically here:
- We know that you can fly domestically without ID (I've done it)
- In order to accrue EQM mileage, you need to fly
- People do mileage runs to reach the next level
- For some people, the time is harder to come by than the money for the mileage run
What if you had someone fly using your name, not show an ID, and they racked up a mileage run or two for you?
How many laws would be broken? Has anyone attempted this?
Thanks.
#2
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Hello FTers,
Speaking hypothetically here:
- We know that you can fly domestically without ID (I've done it)
- In order to accrue EQM mileage, you need to fly
- People do mileage runs to reach the next level
- For some people, the time is harder to come by than the money for the mileage run
What if you had someone fly using your name, not show an ID, and they racked up a mileage run or two for you?
How many laws would be broken? Has anyone attempted this?
Thanks.
Speaking hypothetically here:
- We know that you can fly domestically without ID (I've done it)
- In order to accrue EQM mileage, you need to fly
- People do mileage runs to reach the next level
- For some people, the time is harder to come by than the money for the mileage run
What if you had someone fly using your name, not show an ID, and they racked up a mileage run or two for you?
How many laws would be broken? Has anyone attempted this?
Thanks.
#3
Join Date: Jul 2008
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I've thought about variations on this, getting through security with perhaps a very inexpensive ticket, then boarding a longer flight under another name. Not sure how you'd get through security w/o a valid BP and ID tho? Could you check in for a ticket booked w miles, go through security, then if it was booked w my miles as a 1K, cancel the ticket, get the miles back and board w another BP under another name?
Seems like too much trouble, but someday when I get desperate for EQM, who knows!
Seems like too much trouble, but someday when I get desperate for EQM, who knows!
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...d-tsa-sfo.html
From - http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...documents.shtm
"Passengers who do not or cannot present an acceptable ID will have to provide information to the Transportation Security Officer performing Travel Document Checking duties in order to verify their identity. Passengers who are cleared through this process may be subject to additional screening. Passengers whose identity cannot be verified by TSA may not be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint or onto an airplane."
Interesting, I did not know this was possible either, but looked it up when I saw the post.
From - http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...documents.shtm
"Passengers who do not or cannot present an acceptable ID will have to provide information to the Transportation Security Officer performing Travel Document Checking duties in order to verify their identity. Passengers who are cleared through this process may be subject to additional screening. Passengers whose identity cannot be verified by TSA may not be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint or onto an airplane."
Interesting, I did not know this was possible either, but looked it up when I saw the post.
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Hello FTers,
Speaking hypothetically here:
- We know that you can fly domestically without ID (I've done it)
- In order to accrue EQM mileage, you need to fly
- People do mileage runs to reach the next level
- For some people, the time is harder to come by than the money for the mileage run
What if you had someone fly using your name, not show an ID, and they racked up a mileage run or two for you?
How many laws would be broken? Has anyone attempted this?
Thanks.
Speaking hypothetically here:
- We know that you can fly domestically without ID (I've done it)
- In order to accrue EQM mileage, you need to fly
- People do mileage runs to reach the next level
- For some people, the time is harder to come by than the money for the mileage run
What if you had someone fly using your name, not show an ID, and they racked up a mileage run or two for you?
How many laws would be broken? Has anyone attempted this?
Thanks.
#6
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IMNAL but this seems to be a classic case of fraud.
Extremely doubtful you would be criminally prosecuted but UA (by MP rules) could void your account
During the examination by TSA of the person without out proper id, that person is likely to show stress signs that could lead to TSA involving a LEO, and then you got serious issues.
Extremely doubtful you would be criminally prosecuted but UA (by MP rules) could void your account
During the examination by TSA of the person without out proper id, that person is likely to show stress signs that could lead to TSA involving a LEO, and then you got serious issues.
#8
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First, I am not your attorney. This is not legal advice.
I think the concern would be violating the airline's policy (and possibly mileage program rules), not breaking the law. There are plenty of legitimate ways to get past the TSA that don't involve fraud. Requesting a gate pass, getting a pass to the club and buying a refundable ticket and cancelling after you get through are all perfectly legitimate options that come to mind.
Beyond that point, if you had checked in and sent the boarding pass to the person who will be traveling in your stead (maybe you email them the PDF), then they can use that at the gate to get on the plane. You get the credit. They get the travel.
I tend to remember someone here hired 20 rural farmers to fly a constant international circuit for a period of time when they found a very good fare. I think he ended up with lifetime status on whatever program they targeted - their mileage was credited to his account.
I could very much see that this would work if you were willing to pay and had someone who was willing to put their butt in the seat and go see someplace new.
As long as you don't book travel that looks like two different people, then I don't think the airline would ever know. I've never been asked for my ID when boarding a domestic flight.
I think the concern would be violating the airline's policy (and possibly mileage program rules), not breaking the law. There are plenty of legitimate ways to get past the TSA that don't involve fraud. Requesting a gate pass, getting a pass to the club and buying a refundable ticket and cancelling after you get through are all perfectly legitimate options that come to mind.
Beyond that point, if you had checked in and sent the boarding pass to the person who will be traveling in your stead (maybe you email them the PDF), then they can use that at the gate to get on the plane. You get the credit. They get the travel.
I tend to remember someone here hired 20 rural farmers to fly a constant international circuit for a period of time when they found a very good fare. I think he ended up with lifetime status on whatever program they targeted - their mileage was credited to his account.
I could very much see that this would work if you were willing to pay and had someone who was willing to put their butt in the seat and go see someplace new.
As long as you don't book travel that looks like two different people, then I don't think the airline would ever know. I've never been asked for my ID when boarding a domestic flight.
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In that case, however, the passengers were all flying under their own names and crediting the points to a pooled account. Everything was within the scope of the programs T&C.
To the OP, I'm not sure that you'd be violating any laws but you would almost certainly be in violation of the T&C and subject to losing the account with no recourse.
#12
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...d-tsa-sfo.html
From - http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...documents.shtm
"Passengers who do not or cannot present an acceptable ID will have to provide information to the Transportation Security Officer performing Travel Document Checking duties in order to verify their identity. Passengers who are cleared through this process may be subject to additional screening. Passengers whose identity cannot be verified by TSA may not be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint or onto an airplane."
Interesting, I did not know this was possible either, but looked it up when I saw the post.
From - http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...documents.shtm
"Passengers who do not or cannot present an acceptable ID will have to provide information to the Transportation Security Officer performing Travel Document Checking duties in order to verify their identity. Passengers who are cleared through this process may be subject to additional screening. Passengers whose identity cannot be verified by TSA may not be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint or onto an airplane."
Interesting, I did not know this was possible either, but looked it up when I saw the post.
#13
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There are legs to this, I think it works:
You need 4,000 miles to preserve 1k, your mate wants to go from IAD to LAX and back. So:
(i) you buy in his name a ticket to say Allentown (whatever flight is cheap that day) and LAX to (say) Bakersfield;
(ii) you buy in your name the ticket your mate wants, making sure the flight to LAX is on the same day as the Allentown flight and the return flight is the same day as the LAX - Bakersfield flight;
(iii) you (or your mate) check in on line for everything;
(iv) he goes to Dulles, shows his ID and his Allentown boarding pass at security. They'll be cool. Rocks over to the RCC, shows them your boarding pass (and your 1k card) has a drink, goes over to the LAX plane, shows your boarding pass, gets on board, has a very (1k) good seat (but not a UDU );
(v) your mate no shows for the Allentown flight. United will not care. He will not get any miles for it - but who cares.
(vi) does the same at LAX on the way back;
= SUCCESS - you have kept 1k and your mate got out to see the wife/girlfriend/son/ drug dealer whatever for free.
The bummer it will not work internationally, for the serious mileage runs. They do passport control at the gate - cross referencing you picture with your boarding pass for that plane.
(i) you buy in his name a ticket to say Allentown (whatever flight is cheap that day) and LAX to (say) Bakersfield;
(ii) you buy in your name the ticket your mate wants, making sure the flight to LAX is on the same day as the Allentown flight and the return flight is the same day as the LAX - Bakersfield flight;
(iii) you (or your mate) check in on line for everything;
(iv) he goes to Dulles, shows his ID and his Allentown boarding pass at security. They'll be cool. Rocks over to the RCC, shows them your boarding pass (and your 1k card) has a drink, goes over to the LAX plane, shows your boarding pass, gets on board, has a very (1k) good seat (but not a UDU );
(v) your mate no shows for the Allentown flight. United will not care. He will not get any miles for it - but who cares.
(vi) does the same at LAX on the way back;
= SUCCESS - you have kept 1k and your mate got out to see the wife/girlfriend/son/ drug dealer whatever for free.
The bummer it will not work internationally, for the serious mileage runs. They do passport control at the gate - cross referencing you picture with your boarding pass for that plane.
Last edited by Robert N; Oct 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm
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OP, don't do it. Let's say they find out that you aren't the person on the BP. I bet TSA will dump the plane and send all of the pax to be re-screened.