1 week rental $391. 8 days $113
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1 week rental $391. 8 days $113
Just when I thought I've seen everything... I understand that flying return is cheaper than one way, and that renting for a week is the same price as five days. I can understand this.
But I can't understand how renting for 8 days would be one third the rate of a weekly rental. Both Thrifty and Dollar have this: rent a full week (in Washington DC, in September), pay $391. Return your car a few hours later, so it counts as 8 days, and the rate drops to $113.
What will they do if I book for 8 days and return the car two days earlier, force me to drive it for two more days?
Shuly
But I can't understand how renting for 8 days would be one third the rate of a weekly rental. Both Thrifty and Dollar have this: rent a full week (in Washington DC, in September), pay $391. Return your car a few hours later, so it counts as 8 days, and the rate drops to $113.
What will they do if I book for 8 days and return the car two days earlier, force me to drive it for two more days?
Shuly
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I can't duplicate this so far.
Example dates, location (DCA?), car size, any promo code used?
It maybe a useful glitch, or maybe not.
Example dates, location (DCA?), car size, any promo code used?
It maybe a useful glitch, or maybe not.
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OK, I see it now !
....and the price drops for some of the higher end vehicles.
Ford Escape 8 days $169.99 ai.
And it works for 9 days, two weeks, three weeks, etc.
Unfortunately this doesn't answer your question
about early return, but nice find !
....and the price drops for some of the higher end vehicles.
Ford Escape 8 days $169.99 ai.
And it works for 9 days, two weeks, three weeks, etc.
Unfortunately this doesn't answer your question
about early return, but nice find !
Last edited by MrHalliday; Jun 10, 2012 at 10:27 am
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This.
It's not intentional--it's a function of the way their computer systems do rate analysis of the competition in conjunction with forecasted fleet availability. Note that Thrifty's primary competition, Enterprise (which Thrifty competes most strongly with and sets their rates in accordance with), has a similar rate for both sets of dates.
Once you book a particular rate plan, though, you are locked into that rate plan regardless of the length of rental UNLESS you do something that invalidates the rate plan (such as pick up too early or return too late for a weekend rate, etc.).
That said, I can't guarantee this will be the case 100%. You can often see some more detailed rate information in travel agency GDS systems. A good way to get access to this is to do a test booking on Travelocity and then click the "Rules & Information" tab, which shows the full T&C as published in the GDS. In your case, the rate rules for your 8-day September rental come up as this:
For comparison, here are the rules of the higher 7-day rate:
Now, I believe those are just the rate rules that Thrifty's reservation engine uses to figure out which rate it should apply to your reservation. I don't believe they are "attached" to your reservation once your reservation is confirmed.
At Thrifty franchises (which I have the most experience with), the computer systems are too dumb to factor any specific rate rules in. The Thrifty reservation system simply transmits the reservation to the franchise's computer system with a daily rate and a weekly rate attached. Any changes to the pick-up and drop-off dates can't change the rate, because only one rate (with no particular rules) is associated with that reservation.
However, Thrifty corporate locations (which IAD and DCA are) use a more sophisticated computer system that very well could consider specific rate rules such as those noted above. There is a chance--a small chance, but a chance nonetheless--that upon returning the car early, your rate may jump up to the higher rate. I do not think the chance is that big, though, and would feel comfortable booking the later return date and counting on that price to stick.
Worst comes to worst, ask for a manager at return and ask how your rate triples when you're doing them the favor and letting them re-rent the car to someone else for an extra day or two. On an early return, I would (begrudgingly) accept having to pay the same price as I would have had I kept the car longer, but certainly not any more than that. I think the local manager would likely see the logic and agree. Even if you're charged the full $113 for the 8-day rental despite returning it after 7 days, you'll be money ahead. In fact, even if you have to keep the car, go park it offsite, and then call them on the 8th day to have the car picked up by them and they charge you a $25 (or even higher) fee to do so, you'll still be money ahead.
It's not intentional--it's a function of the way their computer systems do rate analysis of the competition in conjunction with forecasted fleet availability. Note that Thrifty's primary competition, Enterprise (which Thrifty competes most strongly with and sets their rates in accordance with), has a similar rate for both sets of dates.
Once you book a particular rate plan, though, you are locked into that rate plan regardless of the length of rental UNLESS you do something that invalidates the rate plan (such as pick up too early or return too late for a weekend rate, etc.).
That said, I can't guarantee this will be the case 100%. You can often see some more detailed rate information in travel agency GDS systems. A good way to get access to this is to do a test booking on Travelocity and then click the "Rules & Information" tab, which shows the full T&C as published in the GDS. In your case, the rate rules for your 8-day September rental come up as this:
Code:
NO ADVANCE BOOKING REQUIRED 8 FULL 24 HOUR DAYS REQUIRED 28 DY MAX RNTL DROP CHARGES IF APPLICABLE WILL DISPLAY AT CONFIRMATIONMINIMUM BASED ON A 24 HOUR CLOCK RCUW8
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NO ADVANCE BOOKING REQUIRED 5DY MIN RENTAL REQUIRED. 7DAY MAX RENTAL ALLOWED. DROP CHARGES IF APPLICABLE WILL DISPLAY AT CONFIRMATIMINIMUM IS BASED ON A 24-HOUR CLOCK. RCUW5
At Thrifty franchises (which I have the most experience with), the computer systems are too dumb to factor any specific rate rules in. The Thrifty reservation system simply transmits the reservation to the franchise's computer system with a daily rate and a weekly rate attached. Any changes to the pick-up and drop-off dates can't change the rate, because only one rate (with no particular rules) is associated with that reservation.
However, Thrifty corporate locations (which IAD and DCA are) use a more sophisticated computer system that very well could consider specific rate rules such as those noted above. There is a chance--a small chance, but a chance nonetheless--that upon returning the car early, your rate may jump up to the higher rate. I do not think the chance is that big, though, and would feel comfortable booking the later return date and counting on that price to stick.
Worst comes to worst, ask for a manager at return and ask how your rate triples when you're doing them the favor and letting them re-rent the car to someone else for an extra day or two. On an early return, I would (begrudgingly) accept having to pay the same price as I would have had I kept the car longer, but certainly not any more than that. I think the local manager would likely see the logic and agree. Even if you're charged the full $113 for the 8-day rental despite returning it after 7 days, you'll be money ahead. In fact, even if you have to keep the car, go park it offsite, and then call them on the 8th day to have the car picked up by them and they charge you a $25 (or even higher) fee to do so, you'll still be money ahead.
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Excellent explanation, and this last paragraph was exactly my thoughts. Thank you.
Shuly
Shuly
Worst comes to worst, ask for a manager at return and ask how your rate triples when you're doing them the favor and letting them re-rent the car to someone else for an extra day or two. On an early return, I would (begrudgingly) accept having to pay the same price as I would have had I kept the car longer, but certainly not any more than that. I think the local manager would likely see the logic and agree. Even if you're charged the full $113 for the 8-day rental despite returning it after 7 days, you'll be money ahead. In fact, even if you have to keep the car, go park it offsite, and then call them on the 8th day to have the car picked up by them and they charge you a $25 (or even higher) fee to do so, you'll still be money ahead.
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Often, travel pricing just doesn't make sense.
Jeff
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By the same logic, would you ask an airline why you just can't get off at 'B' on an A-B-C itinerary when A-B-C is cheaper than A-B? By the same measure, why should the airline punish you for a higher A-B flight, when they can sell B-C for additional money?
Often, travel pricing just doesn't make sense.
Jeff
Often, travel pricing just doesn't make sense.
Jeff
Rental car agencies do want to get the highest rate possible out of you, yes, but they don't want to encourage you to keep the car longer than you need by actually charging less for long rentals (less per day but still more overall, yes, but not less overall), as they would view that as lost potential revenue from additional rentals.
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Just when I thought I've seen everything... I understand that flying return is cheaper than one way, and that renting for a week is the same price as five days. I can understand this.
But I can't understand how renting for 8 days would be one third the rate of a weekly rental. Both Thrifty and Dollar have this: rent a full week (in Washington DC, in September), pay $391. Return your car a few hours later, so it counts as 8 days, and the rate drops to $113.
What will they do if I book for 8 days and return the car two days earlier, force me to drive it for two more days?
Shuly
But I can't understand how renting for 8 days would be one third the rate of a weekly rental. Both Thrifty and Dollar have this: rent a full week (in Washington DC, in September), pay $391. Return your car a few hours later, so it counts as 8 days, and the rate drops to $113.
What will they do if I book for 8 days and return the car two days earlier, force me to drive it for two more days?
Shuly
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still working !
Last edited by MrHalliday; Jun 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm
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Having said that, in the airline industry such a situation, while frequent, is only half the truth, since the rules that govern the one-way fare are typically much more lax than the rules of the return fare. Whereas with the car rental situation, there's no difference whatsoever between the one week deal and the 8 day one.
I agree that this must be an error.
Shuly
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Funny I managed to do similar thing in LAX for Mar 2 -10 at $118 for full size vs Mar 2 - 9 at $319.