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On January 23, 2015, TalkBoard passed 7-2-0
the following amendments to the TalkBoard Guidelines (new language underlined, struck language to be deleted):
C. Voting Procedures
i. Once a motion has been made and seconded and all aspects of the Public Notice Procedures in Section D. below have been completed, not sooner than 48 hours later the President shall post a sticky poll thread in the TalkBoard forum calling the question and announcing the vote. The thread shall be titled "Vote: [summary of motion]". In the first post on the sticky poll thread the President shall post the maker and seconder of the motion as well as the voting deadline and then restate the motion that has been made and seconded.
and
D. Public Notice Procedures
i. Once a motion has been made and secondedput before TalkBoard for a vote the Vice President/Secretary shall post a new thread in the public TalkBoard Topics forum announcing the vote along with the voting end date as quickly as feasible. Once that thread is posted, the TalkBoard Vice President/Secretary will submit a request to the FlyerTalk Host or representative to create an site-wide announcement of the vote with a link to the discussion/voting thread in the TalkBoard Topics Forum. The Announcement will be available until either voting is completed and a decision is made or the voting period ends.
Votes
Yes: dschobel, Canarsie, jason8612, kokonutz, MSPeconomist, nsx, rwoman[/COLOR]
No: CMK10, dchristiva
Abstain: -
(lower right wiki corner)On January 23, 2015, TalkBoard passed 7-2-0
the following amendments to the TalkBoard Guidelines (new language underlined, struck language to be deleted):
C. Voting Procedures
i. Once a motion has been made and seconded and all aspects of the Public Notice Procedures in Section D. below have been completed, not sooner than 48 hours later the President shall post a sticky poll thread in the TalkBoard forum calling the question and announcing the vote. The thread shall be titled "Vote: [summary of motion]". In the first post on the sticky poll thread the President shall post the maker and seconder of the motion as well as the voting deadline and then restate the motion that has been made and seconded.
and
D. Public Notice Procedures
i. Once a motion has been made and seconded
Votes
Yes: dschobel, Canarsie, jason8612, kokonutz, MSPeconomist, nsx, rwoman[/COLOR]
No: CMK10, dchristiva
Abstain: -
Voting Over, Motion Passed: Amend the TalkBoard guidelines for timelag
Jan 16, 2015, 11:12 am
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OT but one of the recent TB members who participated only very rarely was elected and then re-elected (probably more than once) with reasonably high numbers of votes. Obviously some people on FT liked the guy and wanted him as their elected representative. [When I have time, I should check whether he participated in the election debates when he was running for TB. Often there's a question about whether one participates in the TBT forum.]
Jan 16, 2015, 2:44 pm
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Well I for one am pleased to see this motion appearing before talkboard as I genuinely do believe that it is a good thing.
Jan 16, 2015, 3:54 pm
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It's been 48 hours now.
Jan 17, 2015, 6:38 am
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why just 2 days?
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Jan 17, 2015, 9:49 am
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Jan 17, 2015, 10:40 am
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Jan 17, 2015, 11:23 am
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Here's what I posted in the private TB forum:
I don't believe the current rules need to be changed. However I plan to vote Yes on this proposal.
My reason: koko has done an exemplary job of patiently finding a consensus that is not too far from my preferred position. That's something I want to encourage from future advocates on all issues.
Feel free to argue me out of this, but it makes perfect sense to me.
My reason: koko has done an exemplary job of patiently finding a consensus that is not too far from my preferred position. That's something I want to encourage from future advocates on all issues.
Feel free to argue me out of this, but it makes perfect sense to me.
Jan 20, 2015, 9:42 pm
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Amend the TalkBoard guidelines for timelag: will pass
In accordance with the guidelines that we'll announce if a motion has passed or failed once enough yes or no votes have been recorded by TB members, this is the public notice that this motion will pass as it has secured at least 6 yes votes.
Please note that not all TB members have voted yet, and so a final announcement with who voted yes/no will not be posted until all 9 have voted or the voting period ends.
Please note that not all TB members have voted yet, and so a final announcement with who voted yes/no will not be posted until all 9 have voted or the voting period ends.
Jan 20, 2015, 10:05 pm
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Yay! Thanks Jason.
Jan 21, 2015, 12:35 pm
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For the record record 
, here is what I wrote in the private TB forum regarding my vote:
, here is what I wrote in the private TB forum regarding my vote:
For the record, although I voted for the compromise, I tend to agree with [the notion that this motion is not needed].
We never had a problem in the past because everyone took their time to vote.
Lesson learned.
That said, although this complicates the process a tiny bit, it probably is a best practice and so it does no harm to enforce it.
Which is to say, I will shed nary a tear should this compromise fall. After all, most accidents occur in the middle of the road!
We never had a problem in the past because everyone took their time to vote.
Lesson learned.
That said, although this complicates the process a tiny bit, it probably is a best practice and so it does no harm to enforce it.
Which is to say, I will shed nary a tear should this compromise fall. After all, most accidents occur in the middle of the road!
Jan 21, 2015, 3:08 pm
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And this is what I wrote:
Because I don't think it's necessary. The outcry against our quick vote is by a vocal minority that is directing their anger at the change to the MR Forum at us because we're a convenient target. It's misplaced and flat out wrong I think, especially as I think that was an aberration and is unlikely to continue. As it is, votes drag out needlessly long and I don't want to delay our constituents having to wait to use their new forums even longer.
Finally, I think that since the uproar over the MR Forum we've been moving together far slower and more cautiously making every effort to get a consensus before moving ahead with a vote. Why add even more bureaucracy? To put it in law terms, I don't think there is a problem, but if there is a problem, I think we've already solved it by being more conscientious than we were.
Finally, I think that since the uproar over the MR Forum we've been moving together far slower and more cautiously making every effort to get a consensus before moving ahead with a vote. Why add even more bureaucracy? To put it in law terms, I don't think there is a problem, but if there is a problem, I think we've already solved it by being more conscientious than we were.
Jan 21, 2015, 5:21 pm
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Jan 21, 2015, 5:39 pm
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You'll notice that we are still waiting on this vote to finish, the person who seconded the vote, who wanted it to be a 3 day waiting period, not 2, who has been active on FT during the vote still has not voted. We succeeded in adding needless bureaucracy and creating a longer wait and nothing more.
Jan 21, 2015, 5:53 pm
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It's not mandated that we have to be conscientious, what's mandated is that we have to wait two days to start voting. As I say frequently, length of time spent before voting has nothing to do with the quality of one's vote.
You'll notice that we are still waiting on this vote to finish, the person who seconded the vote, who wanted it to be a 3 day waiting period, not 2, who has been active on FT during the vote still has not voted. We succeeded in adding needless bureaucracy and creating a longer wait and nothing more.
You'll notice that we are still waiting on this vote to finish, the person who seconded the vote, who wanted it to be a 3 day waiting period, not 2, who has been active on FT during the vote still has not voted. We succeeded in adding needless bureaucracy and creating a longer wait and nothing more.
Is there a reason to push voting for something, unless it is to correct a mistake TB has made or to eliminate unintended consequences?