About flying with Southwest, "saved seats" and sitting in them anyway?
Jun 27, 2017, 6:43 pm
#121
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(Not something I would ever do... but)
If I stand in the aisle seat and stop you from getting to the middle or window by not moving, all while smiling, apologizing and stating that "these seats are saved," which forces you to engage in a physical altercation with me in order to get past, which causes you to be removed from the flight, then I'd say I successfully saved those seats.
If I stand in the aisle seat and stop you from getting to the middle or window by not moving, all while smiling, apologizing and stating that "these seats are saved," which forces you to engage in a physical altercation with me in order to get past, which causes you to be removed from the flight, then I'd say I successfully saved those seats.
Jun 27, 2017, 6:57 pm
#122
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(Not something I would ever do... but)
If I stand in the aisle seat and stop you from getting to the middle or window by not moving, all while smiling, apologizing and stating that "these seats are saved," which forces you to engage in a physical altercation with me in order to get past, which causes you to be removed from the flight, then I'd say I successfully saved those seats.
If I stand in the aisle seat and stop you from getting to the middle or window by not moving, all while smiling, apologizing and stating that "these seats are saved," which forces you to engage in a physical altercation with me in order to get past, which causes you to be removed from the flight, then I'd say I successfully saved those seats.
Or thwart your attempt by climbing over the seat just to wipe that smile off your face.
Jun 27, 2017, 7:04 pm
#123
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Good luck. You know as well as I that the FA is absolutely not going to get involved unless there is a physical altercation. And as I am the one simply standing there, apologizing, you are the one who will have to engage with me. You will be the one removed.
Scenario:
Due to a glitch caused by the new booking system, two of my group of three -- spouse and minor child -- lose their EBCI and as a result are given boarding positions well after mine. When discussing with the GA, I am told to board in my position and save seats for them. Because Southwest allows seat saving. I stand in the aisle seat and stop you from getting to the middle or window by not moving, all while smiling, apologizing and stating that "these seats are saved, the agent told me it was ok."
Are you still going to get those seats?
Scenario:
Due to a glitch caused by the new booking system, two of my group of three -- spouse and minor child -- lose their EBCI and as a result are given boarding positions well after mine. When discussing with the GA, I am told to board in my position and save seats for them. Because Southwest allows seat saving. I stand in the aisle seat and stop you from getting to the middle or window by not moving, all while smiling, apologizing and stating that "these seats are saved, the agent told me it was ok."
Are you still going to get those seats?
Jun 27, 2017, 7:07 pm
#124
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Jun 27, 2017, 8:25 pm
#126
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And again you come up with abstract garbage. As has been pointed out to you that is not a realistic situation and you are taking things to a ridiculous extreme to try to justify your flawed point.
BEFORE the door is closed, if someone says these seats are saved, and you sit there anyway, there is no recourse for the attempted seat saver. People are not moving forward row by row anxiously awaiting someone to urinate and jumping in their seat. That is just a stupid and disingenuous assertion.
Its a problem simply brought on by inconsiderate and scheming people trying to gain a benefit where none exists. If the entire party was boarding at the same time, then they sit in the open seats that do not have a person sitting in them.
As many have stated when the person says "I claim this seat, and that seat as saved and thou shall not sit there" and someone does just that then the allegation of saved seat becomes void.
BEFORE the door is closed, if someone says these seats are saved, and you sit there anyway, there is no recourse for the attempted seat saver. People are not moving forward row by row anxiously awaiting someone to urinate and jumping in their seat. That is just a stupid and disingenuous assertion.
Its a problem simply brought on by inconsiderate and scheming people trying to gain a benefit where none exists. If the entire party was boarding at the same time, then they sit in the open seats that do not have a person sitting in them.
As many have stated when the person says "I claim this seat, and that seat as saved and thou shall not sit there" and someone does just that then the allegation of saved seat becomes void.
and you only think it's abstract garbage because you don't know what I was referencing. Those that do will find it funny. 😉
that aside, I see this happen all the time: someone preboards and sits bulkhead aisle. In a gap in boarding they use the restroom. At that point, using your logic someone could take that seat as they board and too bad, so sad for the other person. Not far fetched and not ridiculous.
so seat saving is allowed and can be done. It doesn't have to be mean-spirited and if people behave like adults it generally works itself out.
Jun 27, 2017, 8:47 pm
#127
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Good luck. You know as well as I that the FA is absolutely not going to get involved unless there is a physical altercation. And as I am the one simply standing there, apologizing, you are the one who will have to engage with me. You will be the one removed.
Scenario:
Due to a glitch caused by the new booking system, two of my group of three -- spouse and minor child -- lose their EBCI and as a result are given boarding positions well after mine. When discussing with the GA, I am told to board in my position and save seats for them. Because Southwest allows seat saving. I stand in the aisle seat and stop you from getting to the middle or window by not moving, all while smiling, apologizing and stating that "these seats are saved, the agent told me it was ok."
Are you still going to get those seats?
Scenario:
Due to a glitch caused by the new booking system, two of my group of three -- spouse and minor child -- lose their EBCI and as a result are given boarding positions well after mine. When discussing with the GA, I am told to board in my position and save seats for them. Because Southwest allows seat saving. I stand in the aisle seat and stop you from getting to the middle or window by not moving, all while smiling, apologizing and stating that "these seats are saved, the agent told me it was ok."
Are you still going to get those seats?
Yup, I would take the overseat route.
Jun 27, 2017, 9:05 pm
#128
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I see this happen all the time: someone preboards and sits bulkhead aisle. In a gap in boarding they use the restroom. At that point, using your logic someone could take that seat as they board and too bad, so sad for the other person. Not far fetched and not ridiculous.
Your mythical pre-boarder isn't hoarding anything. Any relevance is imaginative.
Jun 27, 2017, 9:40 pm
#129
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You're going to climb over a seat. Meaning that your going to occupy and then leave an open seat, climbing over the headrest, just to get to a different seat.
Because that's perfectly normal behavior.
Then you've made it clear that this argument is really only about your entitlement.
That you feel entitled to take any seat you want, at significant risk to your travel that day -- even when that seat is saved per policy, at the direction of representatives of the airline, for legitimate reasons.
We're done here.
Because that's perfectly normal behavior.
Then you've made it clear that this argument is really only about your entitlement.
That you feel entitled to take any seat you want, at significant risk to your travel that day -- even when that seat is saved per policy, at the direction of representatives of the airline, for legitimate reasons.
We're done here.
Last edited by ursine1; Jun 27, 2017 at 9:49 pm
Jun 27, 2017, 10:04 pm
#130
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Very few seat savers will be willing to match that escalation. If they do, the result will be ejection for both parties accompanied by hearty applause from the other passengers.
As I've said before, the more assertive person wins unless one or both are ejected. In effect, that's the policy. As InkUnderNails is wont to say, the purpose of a system is what it does.
If you are maximally assertive and you want to sit in a saved seat, there is no such thing as a saved seat. If you are maximally assertive and you want to save a seat, there is always such a thing as a saved seat. If you are a normal and reasonable person not making a special effort to cause trouble, there is such a thing as saving non-prime seats and sitting in saved prime seats. I have done both.
Jun 27, 2017, 10:15 pm
#131
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So while you may think you've got it figured out, you don't.
Jun 27, 2017, 10:19 pm
#132
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If you are maximally assertive and you want to sit in a saved seat, there is no such thing as a saved seat. If you are maximally assertive and you want to save a seat, there is always such a thing as a saved seat. If you are a normal and reasonable person not making a special effort to cause trouble, there is such a thing as saving non-prime seats and sitting in saved prime seats. I have done both.
Jun 27, 2017, 10:28 pm
#133
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You're going to climb over a seat. Meaning that your going to occupy and then leave an open seat, climbing over the headrest, just to get to a different seat.
Because that's perfectly normal behavior.
Then you've made it clear that this argument is really only about your entitlement.
That you feel entitled to take any seat you want, at significant risk to your travel that day -- even when that seat is saved per policy, at the direction of representatives of the airline, for legitimate reasons.
We're done here.
Because that's perfectly normal behavior.
Then you've made it clear that this argument is really only about your entitlement.
That you feel entitled to take any seat you want, at significant risk to your travel that day -- even when that seat is saved per policy, at the direction of representatives of the airline, for legitimate reasons.
We're done here.
No, you made it ridiculous with some fictional assertion that you are going to block the aisle. So I responded with the same type of scenario that you made up.
Jun 27, 2017, 10:31 pm
#134
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You're going to climb over a seat. Meaning that your going to occupy and then leave an open seat, climbing over the headrest, just to get to a different seat.
Because that's perfectly normal behavior.
Then you've made it clear that this argument is really only about your entitlement.
That you feel entitled to take any seat you want, at significant risk to your travel that day -- even when that seat is saved per policy, at the direction of representatives of the airline, for legitimate reasons.
We're done here.
Because that's perfectly normal behavior.
Then you've made it clear that this argument is really only about your entitlement.
That you feel entitled to take any seat you want, at significant risk to your travel that day -- even when that seat is saved per policy, at the direction of representatives of the airline, for legitimate reasons.
We're done here.
Jun 27, 2017, 10:36 pm
#135
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True, if that someone is willing to escalate the dispute up to the point where the crew calls the captain and the captain calls the police.
Very few seat savers will be willing to match that escalation. If they do, the result will be ejection for both parties accompanied by hearty applause from the other passengers.
As I've said before, the more assertive person wins unless one or both are ejected. In effect, that's the policy. As InkUnderNails is wont to say, the purpose of a system is what it does.
If you are maximally assertive and you want to sit in a saved seat, there is no such thing as a saved seat. If you are maximally assertive and you want to save a seat, there is always such a thing as a saved seat. If you are a normal and reasonable person not making a special effort to cause trouble, there is such a thing as saving non-prime seats and sitting in saved prime seats. I have done both.
Very few seat savers will be willing to match that escalation. If they do, the result will be ejection for both parties accompanied by hearty applause from the other passengers.
As I've said before, the more assertive person wins unless one or both are ejected. In effect, that's the policy. As InkUnderNails is wont to say, the purpose of a system is what it does.
If you are maximally assertive and you want to sit in a saved seat, there is no such thing as a saved seat. If you are maximally assertive and you want to save a seat, there is always such a thing as a saved seat. If you are a normal and reasonable person not making a special effort to cause trouble, there is such a thing as saving non-prime seats and sitting in saved prime seats. I have done both.
I dont think that the problems arise from row 21 vs row 22.
The problems arise when people try to commandeer bulkhead and exit row seats.
Reading about people trying to save several of the front rows... that takes some chutzpah.