B787 - no you can't have one this decade. Or next.
Sep 8, 2008, 1:36 am
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B787 - no you can't have one this decade. Or next.
http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=13931
Demand and delays means potential customers will have to wait until 2020 for deliveries of new 787s. What a boon for the A350.
Demand and delays means potential customers will have to wait until 2020 for deliveries of new 787s. What a boon for the A350.
Sep 11, 2008, 9:24 am
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Oh boy THIS is definately a case of those laughing last......... Remember how Boeing ridiculed when Airbus had to admit there was a computer glitch which cause all wiring being tooo short and that it would set back the A380? Now look at them.
Sep 11, 2008, 11:20 am
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it has committed to build 1,209 Dreamliners.
How many A350s has AirBus sold?
Sep 11, 2008, 5:41 pm
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How this own-goal will affect Mid-East carriers? Boeing's spokesman is cagey.
Here is the link.
A few Boeing outstanding orders:
Qatar Airways: 54 aircraft, including 30 787-8 and 19 777s.
Emirates: 52 aircraft including 10 747-8F
FlyDubai: 50 737-800
Etihad: 45 aircraft including 35 787-9 and 10 777-300ER.
Gulf Air: 16 787-8
RAK Airways: 4 737-800
(Bottom line: waiting who knows how long for 81 787s!)
Here is the link.
Strike to Hit Gulf Deliveries: Boeing [Khaleej Times]
A Boeing spokesman, told Khaleej Times, it was too early to determine the impact on deliveries of aircraft to Etihad, Emirates and Qatar Airways as that would depend on how long the strike lasts.
“We don’t publicise our production rates, although we do publish, on a monthly basis, how many airplanes have been delivered and we’ll continue that practice. We will, however, deliver those airplanes that are completed and ready for delivery.”
A Boeing spokesman, told Khaleej Times, it was too early to determine the impact on deliveries of aircraft to Etihad, Emirates and Qatar Airways as that would depend on how long the strike lasts.
“We don’t publicise our production rates, although we do publish, on a monthly basis, how many airplanes have been delivered and we’ll continue that practice. We will, however, deliver those airplanes that are completed and ready for delivery.”
Qatar Airways: 54 aircraft, including 30 787-8 and 19 777s.
Emirates: 52 aircraft including 10 747-8F
FlyDubai: 50 737-800
Etihad: 45 aircraft including 35 787-9 and 10 777-300ER.
Gulf Air: 16 787-8
RAK Airways: 4 737-800
(Bottom line: waiting who knows how long for 81 787s!)
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Sep 11, 2008, 6:27 pm
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If it were me, I'd rather be completely booked because I sold a ton of product.
Sep 11, 2008, 11:28 pm
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Sep 12, 2008, 1:52 am
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Just how long do you think they will keep those orders if they cannot deliver? And just imagine the the fees in form of breached contracts - late delivary. Airlines are not stupid and will not say "oh poor boeing..." They will insist on cash once the grace period in the contract has passed. Bear in mind that Boeing was already behind sheduale even before the strike. Some airlines are just not going to be able to wait that long.
Sep 12, 2008, 6:02 am
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Just how long do you think they will keep those orders if they cannot deliver? And just imagine the the fees in form of breached contracts - late delivary. Airlines are not stupid and will not say "oh poor boeing..." They will insist on cash once the grace period in the contract has passed. Bear in mind that Boeing was already behind sheduale even before the strike. Some airlines are just not going to be able to wait that long.
Sep 12, 2008, 6:11 am
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Just how long do you think they will keep those orders if they cannot deliver? And just imagine the the fees in form of breached contracts - late delivary. Airlines are not stupid and will not say "oh poor boeing..." They will insist on cash once the grace period in the contract has passed. Bear in mind that Boeing was already behind sheduale even before the strike. Some airlines are just not going to be able to wait that long.
Just because there is an order backlog, does not mean that airlines cannot obtain an aircraft prior to that time. Several delivery slots are held by leasing companies and airlines can purchase delivery slots from other carriers. You will also inevitably see some customer cancelations, which will open-up additional slots.
Sep 14, 2008, 2:16 am
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How this own-goal will affect Mid-East carriers? Boeing's spokesman is cagey.
Here is the link.
A few Boeing outstanding orders:
Qatar Airways: 54 aircraft, including 30 787-8 and 19 777s.
Emirates: 52 aircraft including 10 747-8F
FlyDubai: 50 737-800
Etihad: 45 aircraft including 35 787-9 and 10 777-300ER.
Gulf Air: 16 787-8
RAK Airways: 4 737-800
(Bottom line: waiting who knows how long for 81 787s!)
Here is the link.
A few Boeing outstanding orders:
Qatar Airways: 54 aircraft, including 30 787-8 and 19 777s.
Emirates: 52 aircraft including 10 747-8F
FlyDubai: 50 737-800
Etihad: 45 aircraft including 35 787-9 and 10 777-300ER.
Gulf Air: 16 787-8
RAK Airways: 4 737-800
(Bottom line: waiting who knows how long for 81 787s!)
I was thinking LOT also had B787 orders.
Sep 14, 2008, 6:30 am
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