EL AL LY316 LHR-TLV 3rd September 2007 First Class (747-400, seats 3A,C)
Sep 18, 2007, 11:04 am
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EL AL LY316 LHR-TLV 3rd September 2007 First Class (747-400, seats 3A,C)
No pictures again, which is a shame, as the new dinner service looks rather good (but more about that later) but with no camera there can be no pictures!
Arrived at the checkin with my wife and sailed through. On to the duty free and then to the EL AL King David lounge (which I have described in previous reports). However, there is now a rather good selection of sushi served in the lounge, which is definitely an improvement.
Boarding was awful, as the aircraft was parked at T3 (and the EL AL checkin and lounge are at T1) so we had to be bussed to the aircraft. This would have been fine if the First Class passengers had been given separate transport, but they were not, so we had to join all the rest and wait until the bus was full, etc ...
What was worse was that nobody in the ground staff thought it necessary to help either First Class, or elderly passengers with their bags up the steps. I mean, the first thing the crew do when you board EL AL's First is to help with your bags, but surely the ground staff can do this if there are steps to climb! My wife took the bag of an elderly passenger for her in lieu of the groundstaff. Another
No need to describe the seats, as they have not changed (at least in the 744s) since my last report. The 2 new EL AL 777s have better seats (although less room) and the rest of the aircraft are to be refitted over the next 12 months.
On to the meal service. This has always been excellent from London, both in quality and in quantity. However, this time I found an otherwise excellent new menu spoiled in execution by failure to attend to details.
Here is the menu:
Tapas
Green Tahini Sauce
Salmon Ceviche
Pickled Vegetables
The flight attendants will also offer today's tapas specials
Soup
Carrot and Sweet-Potato Soup
Salad
Fresh Tossed Salad
Lemon Vinaigrette or Balsamic Dressing
Main Course Choice
Chicken Thigh Stuffed with Mushroom Duxelle
Grilled Vegetables, Rice with Cashews
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Lamb Stew with Prunes and Root Vegetables
Minted New potatoes with Almonds
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Fillet of Bass with Stir-Fried Vegetables
Herbed Potato Puree with Mustard
Dessert
Fruit Salad with Raspberry Sorbet
Orange Scented Chocolate Mousse
Baklawa
Having (deliberately) not eaten for pretty much the whole day, I managed to have almost everything. Not that the portions were so small, but that I was really enjoying myself! The cabin was only half full and there was plenty of spare food. The 'tapas special' not listed on the menu was a fresh tabouli salad. I must say that the quality of the food was excellent - the seabass was the best I have ever had on an aircraft, but the whole thing was let down by its execution in practice. The tapas and salad were served first, on very attractive and modern china ... but on a cheap plastic tray with an even cheaper looking paper insert! Now as far as I know, most airlines are abandoning tray service even in business class, and until now EL AL in First Class would first lay the table with cutlery and salt/pepper and then serve the meal onto the table. Well, welcome to EL AL's new 'economy class look alike' First Class. Oh yes, I forgot: They have now moved over to paper napkins and plastic salt and pepper shakers. The cutlery is no longer laid on the table as in a respectable restaurant, but rolled up in the napkin as in a cheap snack bar.
Next gripe: the wine list. The EL AL wine list is not that bad, but is only just borderline for First Class. In fact, of 7 wines offered, 5 are the same as those in business class! Until now, EL AL offered one truly excellent white and one truly excellent red, namely the Castel 'C' Chardonnay (which came 3rd in the Business Traveller 'Cellar in the Sky' competition in the First Class White Wines category) and the Castel Grand Vin 2003 (or the even better 2004 at times). Well, the Castel Grand Vin is no longer offered, and in its place is a red wine which may be more expensive than the business class offerings, but is certainly no better than they are. Suffice it to say that between myself and my wife we enjoyed most of a bottle of the Castel 'C', and had some of the very enjoyable 'Yarden Heightswine' with our dessert.
That's about it. Now for EL AL's response: I wrote to a contact in the company with whom I had discussed aspects of First Class service in the past, and he told me that the lack of help from the groundstaff was a 'local omission' and that the tray meal service and paper napkins were a 'crew mistake'. As far as the wine offerings were concerned, they really had nothing to say, but I have sent them a list of suggestions of far better Israeli wines which they may wish to offer in the future. However, whatever they say, the Castel Grand Vin is probably the best easily available (and sensibly priced) wine on the market.
All I can say is that I felt let down by a quite stupid lack of attention to detail, or possibly someone saving a few pennies at the expense of pretty much destroying the product. I waited to receive their reply before posting this report, especially as the meal service was a 'new concept', and I hope that things will be fixed pretty soon.
Arrived at the checkin with my wife and sailed through. On to the duty free and then to the EL AL King David lounge (which I have described in previous reports). However, there is now a rather good selection of sushi served in the lounge, which is definitely an improvement.
Boarding was awful, as the aircraft was parked at T3 (and the EL AL checkin and lounge are at T1) so we had to be bussed to the aircraft. This would have been fine if the First Class passengers had been given separate transport, but they were not, so we had to join all the rest and wait until the bus was full, etc ...
What was worse was that nobody in the ground staff thought it necessary to help either First Class, or elderly passengers with their bags up the steps. I mean, the first thing the crew do when you board EL AL's First is to help with your bags, but surely the ground staff can do this if there are steps to climb! My wife took the bag of an elderly passenger for her in lieu of the groundstaff. Another No need to describe the seats, as they have not changed (at least in the 744s) since my last report. The 2 new EL AL 777s have better seats (although less room) and the rest of the aircraft are to be refitted over the next 12 months.
On to the meal service. This has always been excellent from London, both in quality and in quantity. However, this time I found an otherwise excellent new menu spoiled in execution by failure to attend to details.
Here is the menu:
Tapas
Green Tahini Sauce
Salmon Ceviche
Pickled Vegetables
The flight attendants will also offer today's tapas specials
Soup
Carrot and Sweet-Potato Soup
Salad
Fresh Tossed Salad
Lemon Vinaigrette or Balsamic Dressing
Main Course Choice
Chicken Thigh Stuffed with Mushroom Duxelle
Grilled Vegetables, Rice with Cashews
----------------
Lamb Stew with Prunes and Root Vegetables
Minted New potatoes with Almonds
----------------
Fillet of Bass with Stir-Fried Vegetables
Herbed Potato Puree with Mustard
Dessert
Fruit Salad with Raspberry Sorbet
Orange Scented Chocolate Mousse
Baklawa
Having (deliberately) not eaten for pretty much the whole day, I managed to have almost everything. Not that the portions were so small, but that I was really enjoying myself! The cabin was only half full and there was plenty of spare food. The 'tapas special' not listed on the menu was a fresh tabouli salad. I must say that the quality of the food was excellent - the seabass was the best I have ever had on an aircraft, but the whole thing was let down by its execution in practice. The tapas and salad were served first, on very attractive and modern china ... but on a cheap plastic tray with an even cheaper looking paper insert! Now as far as I know, most airlines are abandoning tray service even in business class, and until now EL AL in First Class would first lay the table with cutlery and salt/pepper and then serve the meal onto the table. Well, welcome to EL AL's new 'economy class look alike' First Class. Oh yes, I forgot: They have now moved over to paper napkins and plastic salt and pepper shakers. The cutlery is no longer laid on the table as in a respectable restaurant, but rolled up in the napkin as in a cheap snack bar.
Next gripe: the wine list. The EL AL wine list is not that bad, but is only just borderline for First Class. In fact, of 7 wines offered, 5 are the same as those in business class! Until now, EL AL offered one truly excellent white and one truly excellent red, namely the Castel 'C' Chardonnay (which came 3rd in the Business Traveller 'Cellar in the Sky' competition in the First Class White Wines category) and the Castel Grand Vin 2003 (or the even better 2004 at times). Well, the Castel Grand Vin is no longer offered, and in its place is a red wine which may be more expensive than the business class offerings, but is certainly no better than they are. Suffice it to say that between myself and my wife we enjoyed most of a bottle of the Castel 'C', and had some of the very enjoyable 'Yarden Heightswine' with our dessert.
That's about it. Now for EL AL's response: I wrote to a contact in the company with whom I had discussed aspects of First Class service in the past, and he told me that the lack of help from the groundstaff was a 'local omission' and that the tray meal service and paper napkins were a 'crew mistake'. As far as the wine offerings were concerned, they really had nothing to say, but I have sent them a list of suggestions of far better Israeli wines which they may wish to offer in the future. However, whatever they say, the Castel Grand Vin is probably the best easily available (and sensibly priced) wine on the market.
All I can say is that I felt let down by a quite stupid lack of attention to detail, or possibly someone saving a few pennies at the expense of pretty much destroying the product. I waited to receive their reply before posting this report, especially as the meal service was a 'new concept', and I hope that things will be fixed pretty soon.
Last edited by mikebg; Sep 18, 2007 at 11:18 am
Sep 19, 2007, 12:30 pm
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Brings back memories
Thank you for your detailed and thorough report. I once bought a C class ticket on LY from BKK to ATH with a stopover in TLV (around 1995.) At that time for $350.00 you could upgrade to F from BKK to TLV. I did this and sat in the 10 seat upper deck of a LY 747-200. I was a flight attendant for UA at the time, so I used my disposable income to fly on full-fare tickets as I got so tired of passengers telling me how horrible UA was after I worked my ... off because it was my pleasure to do so. Telling a FA that they are good but the rest of their colleagues and their company sucks is not a mentally healthy thing to do the recipient of such information. I wanted some affirmation as to what I was doing in my job was at least acceptable. I've grown up alot since then and realize how we all have the right attitude on the job to make things work, or not.
Anyway, the check-in in BKK by an Israeli man, the outdated Soviet looking F lounge in BKK for random airlines without lounges, the escort to the plane was all an incredible experience. The flight had two flight attendants for 5 of us in the cabin. The Jordianian wines they served were good, the china a different color for meat and dairy meals. I loved the announcement during the meal service in Economy, I guess.. "Please move your luggage out of the aisles so our carts can get through.." A man slept on the floor of First Class as we landed in Bombay in the middle of the night.
The galley was serviced by an Israeli man in Bombay, who gave the crew bottles of orange juice they quickly drank.
The morning brought beautiful views of the Nile as we flew up it, after diverting far to the south of Saudia Arabian airspace; it was quite an experience, that leaves those experiencing it wondering about security everywhere else.
I was to meet my mom in Jerusalem as she was giving a talk there, and part of the First Class product at that time at least with LY was ground transportation to your destination. A woman met me at the bottom of the stairs, and walked me through immigration and after she flirted with a taxi driver, I was on my way the Hyatt in Jerusalem courtesy of El Al.
I wonder if they still have their pink panther safety video.. it seemed to be the most humorous of the time...
Anyway, the check-in in BKK by an Israeli man, the outdated Soviet looking F lounge in BKK for random airlines without lounges, the escort to the plane was all an incredible experience. The flight had two flight attendants for 5 of us in the cabin. The Jordianian wines they served were good, the china a different color for meat and dairy meals. I loved the announcement during the meal service in Economy, I guess.. "Please move your luggage out of the aisles so our carts can get through.." A man slept on the floor of First Class as we landed in Bombay in the middle of the night.
The galley was serviced by an Israeli man in Bombay, who gave the crew bottles of orange juice they quickly drank.
The morning brought beautiful views of the Nile as we flew up it, after diverting far to the south of Saudia Arabian airspace; it was quite an experience, that leaves those experiencing it wondering about security everywhere else.
I was to meet my mom in Jerusalem as she was giving a talk there, and part of the First Class product at that time at least with LY was ground transportation to your destination. A woman met me at the bottom of the stairs, and walked me through immigration and after she flirted with a taxi driver, I was on my way the Hyatt in Jerusalem courtesy of El Al.
I wonder if they still have their pink panther safety video.. it seemed to be the most humorous of the time...
Last edited by rosscali; Sep 20, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Sep 25, 2007, 4:18 am
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