R Class availability
Jul 24, 2006, 8:38 pm
#31
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R's are back now lets save the Privledge Packs!
Originally Posted by hockey7711
It's working again.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Maybe they decided it wasn't such a good idea to piss off their best customers!
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Maybe they decided it wasn't such a good idea to piss off their best customers!
I see they actually listen to us amazing !
Now how about getting the Privledge Packs back from oblivion!
Jul 24, 2006, 9:18 pm
#32
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It's great to have the ability to see the R class again! If it were a glitch, glad it's over! If it was initially intentional to remove visibility, thank you to whomever changed their mind! I think this is very, very important and helpful to your most loyal and frequent travelers, Continental. Thanks.
Aug 4, 2006, 12:55 pm
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Last edited by KVS; Aug 4, 2006 at 3:35 pm
Aug 4, 2006, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Regretfully, earlier this morning, AUA has pulled the plug on their Amadeus booking engine (the one that was showing CO's R class), replacing it with a dumbed-down version.
Aug 4, 2006, 3:28 pm
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Am I Missing Something about R Class?
Greetings,
Using KVS, SABRE-ITN, I was able to pull up R Class, is this not what you were looking for?
[KVS Availability Tool 2.2.4/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/US-AX1]
Michael
Using KVS, SABRE-ITN, I was able to pull up R Class, is this not what you were looking for?
[KVS Availability Tool 2.2.4/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/US-AX1]
Code:
IAH Houston George Bush Intercnt'l TX US [KIAH] EWR Newark Int'l NJ US [KEWR] SAT 19 Aug 2006 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- -------------------- CO 89 IAH 06:30 EWR 11:00 738 0 A7 D7 Z4 R0 Y9 H9 K9 CO 52 IAH 07:55 EWR 12:35 762 0 A9 D9 Z9 R9 Y9 H9 K9 CO 510 IAH 08:55 EWR 13:35 735 0 A5 D5 Z0 R0 Y9 H9 K9 CO 40 IAH 10:50 EWR 15:35 762 0 A9 D9 Z5 R1 Y9 H9 K9 CO 152 IAH 12:05 EWR 16:55 762 0 A6 D6 Z3 R0 Y9 H9 K9 CO 50 IAH 13:20 EWR 18:20 752 0 A0 D0 Z0 R0 Y9 H9 K9 CO 62 IAH 14:27 EWR 19:25 752 0 A5 D5 Z0 R0 Y9 H9 K9 CO 210 IAH 15:35 EWR 20:30 762 0 A9 D9 Z9 R9 Y9 H9 K9 CO 1010 IAH 17:50 EWR 22:38 733 0 A9 D9 Z6 R2 Y9 H9 K9 CO 310 IAH 19:15 EWR 00:03 +1 0 A9 D9 Z9 R9 Y9 H9 K9 CO 410 IAH 21:08 EWR 01:38 +1 739 0 A9 D9 Z9 R9 Y9 H9 K9
Aug 4, 2006, 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by mdjtlj
Using KVS, SABRE-ITN, I was able to pull up R Class, is this not what you were looking for?
Aug 4, 2006, 3:37 pm
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CO R Class
CO's R class is now available via the Sabre: ITN method of the KVS Tool, instead of Amadeus: AUA.
Aug 4, 2006, 4:25 pm
#38
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Heads-up, we're going to be switching some letters around
For those of you availability-watchers out there, we're making some changes starting next week (7-Aug) you're going to want to take note of. These changes will apply to flights on or after 20-Sep 2006.
There will be no change to the E class designation (First/BusinessFirst free ticket awards for non-Elites). After this change, R class will be used for some retail First/BusinessFirst fares.
- F class will be the class of service used for mileage and Elite upgrades (replacing R class)
- EN class will be the class of service used for First/BusinessFirst free ticket awards redeemed by Elites (replacing F class)
The actual availability of these classes will not be impacted, only the letters will be changing. - EN class will be the class of service used for First/BusinessFirst free ticket awards redeemed by Elites (replacing F class)
There will be no change to the E class designation (First/BusinessFirst free ticket awards for non-Elites). After this change, R class will be used for some retail First/BusinessFirst fares.
Aug 4, 2006, 4:33 pm
#39
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Originally Posted by CO Insider
F class will be the class of service used for mileage and Elite upgrades (replacing R class)
Originally Posted by KVS
CO's R class is now available via the Sabre: ITN method of the KVS Tool, instead of Amadeus: AUA
(Although I don't think "E" or "G" inventory shows -
)
Last edited by ijgordon; Aug 4, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Aug 5, 2006, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
Cool, thanks! F was actually used for mileage/elite upgrades until a few years ago.
And apparently, ExpertFlyer is now showing "R" inventory as well!!! ^ ^ ^
(Although I don't think "E" or "G" inventory shows - )
And apparently, ExpertFlyer is now showing "R" inventory as well!!! ^ ^ ^
(Although I don't think "E" or "G" inventory shows -
)But, our sense is this is going to be short lived and as CO Insider has stated, R will be replaced by F (which is not showing on any tool) after 20-Sept. So if you are seeing R after Sept 20th it would seem to us that this is not an upgrade bucket but a revenue bucket. CO is very protective of their award/upgrade inventory exposure. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Aug 5, 2006, 10:03 am
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Inportant Change to ExpertFlyer for CO
We have done more research on this R class issue and have found the following:
- The Sabre (or Sabre/ITN) availability data, for whatever reason, for R class inventory is not consistent with the data when direct connecting to CO. We believe the CO direct connect data to be the most accurate.
- We have changed our access method for all CO flight availability to directly access CO to achieve the most accurate data.
- As a result of this change, you must specifiy "R" in the Class box when doing a Flight Availability query on ExpertFlyer. This will then respond with all classes, including R. Failure to specify R in the Class box will return all buckets but not R.
- Keep in mind that the meaning of R data for flights as of Sept 20th is, according to CO Insider a revenue fare.
We will keep an eye on this situation and make changes, if possible, as necessary to provide the most accurate information and let you know accordingly. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Thank you all for your support,
EFV
Edited to add: If you specify R in Class, CO will attempt to provide a response where there is R class availability between your specifed city pairs which may be through connections instead of more direct or n/s routes. This should be interpreted as R class inventory being currently zero for the direct routes within the time window specified. Try moving the Departure time forward 6-10 hours as this may expose R availability on more direct routes. If no R inventory is returned on CO then it just is not available for what was specified.
- The Sabre (or Sabre/ITN) availability data, for whatever reason, for R class inventory is not consistent with the data when direct connecting to CO. We believe the CO direct connect data to be the most accurate.
- We have changed our access method for all CO flight availability to directly access CO to achieve the most accurate data.
- As a result of this change, you must specifiy "R" in the Class box when doing a Flight Availability query on ExpertFlyer. This will then respond with all classes, including R. Failure to specify R in the Class box will return all buckets but not R.
- Keep in mind that the meaning of R data for flights as of Sept 20th is, according to CO Insider a revenue fare.
We will keep an eye on this situation and make changes, if possible, as necessary to provide the most accurate information and let you know accordingly. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Thank you all for your support,
EFV
Edited to add: If you specify R in Class, CO will attempt to provide a response where there is R class availability between your specifed city pairs which may be through connections instead of more direct or n/s routes. This should be interpreted as R class inventory being currently zero for the direct routes within the time window specified. Try moving the Departure time forward 6-10 hours as this may expose R availability on more direct routes. If no R inventory is returned on CO then it just is not available for what was specified.
Last edited by ExpertFlyer Voice; Aug 5, 2006 at 10:11 am
Aug 5, 2006, 6:13 pm
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Thanks for the update, EFV!
Aug 6, 2006, 7:27 pm
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E bucket?
Has anyone else noticed that the E fare bucket is showing up on Sabre:ITN now? I know that according to the most up to date info I've found on here that it is for non-Elite economy rewards. Anyone happen to know if they're changing the E bucket?
CO Insider, I'm looking at you.
CO Insider, I'm looking at you.
Aug 7, 2006, 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by thenewflesh
Has anyone else noticed that the E fare bucket is showing up on Sabre:ITN now? I know that according to the most up to date info I've found on here that it is for non-Elite economy rewards. Anyone happen to know if they're changing the E bucket?
CO Insider, I'm looking at you.
CO Insider, I'm looking at you.
Aug 7, 2006, 4:31 pm
#45
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Originally Posted by CO Insider
There are no current plans to change the E bucket. E class will continue to be used for First/BusinessFirst class free ticket awards for non-Elites. If you can see E, this will be your indication that EN (used for Elites) is also available, since E is always a subset of EN.