UltraRant

Or, in good SAS tradition, hasn't gotten the memo (while other crews got the message in threefold).

nussle

I wish they would get rid of this scanaroma and just replace it with Newsweek/time/economist with a slip in info pack on their destinations.

The articles are dull beyond belief and the self promotion beyond parody. The magazine turn over is less often that I fly so I sometimes get to read it twice or even three times if I am particularly unfortunate.

CPH-Flyer

I don't think the article was poorly written, but I could wonder how it came across in the English translation. (only read the linked Swedish version) It is for sure not the typical topic of an inflight magazine, but is it not OK to contain a bit more than "where to travel next?" articles? I thought that was the point of the new Scandinavian Traveler (or was it with ll)

GUWonder

I've not yet seen the actual English-language article in the SAS mag, but I'm curious to know if the author (for the leading Skane daily?) wrote it first in Swedish or English. The way it came across to me -- and I'm still waiting to get a collection of the SAS pre-pull mags -- was that he had written it with Swedish in mind first and then put it down in English. That, or someone translated it from Swedish to English with the knowledge that the original would be distributed in Swedish.

I say that as an American who reviews a lot of what Swedes produce in English docs.

CPH-Flyer

I hope someone gets a copy of the English version online to compare. I am quite curious. But I do also guess it was written in Swedish, and translated for SK. And that may leave quite a few suttle differences.

FlyerTalker01565

It basically highlighted the difference between Norway/Denmark on one side and Sweden on the other.

I am shocked such a slanderous piece would ever find its way to the magazine. As opposed to Swedes, Danes and Norwegians don't like to be told what they should think politically (and crap like this usually means more voters to the populist parties, btw.).

GUWonder

Anyone here going to fly SK more or less because of this article? Certainly not I. Slanderous? No. Insinuating that Swedes are any more or less likely to like to be told what they should think is not backed by any data, and seems just another prejudice-based claim.

Xenophobic "populist" parties aren't created or supported by articles like this. Such parties are supported by people who buy into xenophobic thinking largely based on what they have been fed by others or otherwise inclined to believe about "the other". Independent thinking and prejudice-free analysis is not the strong point of xenophobic types.

The xenophobic SverigeD has lots of support in Sweden, and I'm sure it doesn't bother some here that it is approaching 20%. This article won't make a difference.

Frequie

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FlyerTalker01565

Oh, please. I'm a well-educated businessman living in Copenhagen. I too agree Muslim immigration is causing Scandinavia problems - it's a provable fact (Danmarks Statistik, Indvandring i Danmark 2013).

SAS accepting this Swedish polemic viewpoint is silly, at best. Glad the Norwegians protested this.

LH4116

I agree that the title is misleading. It's a well written article, and I see no problem with addressing these right wing populist parties that are crippling our parliaments like some infectious disease.

Clearly Norway seems to have accepted fascism for what it is when the former Socialist PM defends FrP on national television. It's a sad developement, and I hope it doesn't happen in Sweden.

GUWonder

So it's about enabling Muslim-bashing. No surprise. What does Denmark/Statistik Danmark do to determine religion of individuals and determine religious reporting is accurate? Pull down males' pants and do a circumcision check while reading their mind? What about for women?

I'm no idiot either, which is why the above post is no surprise to me.

I hope there aren't more Anders B Breivik types going on a rampage, but that is predictably what xenophobia and xenophobic parties make more likely.

Most Norwegians didn't protest against this article. Most Swedes and Danes didn't either. A minority of vocal, angry persons from the figurative pitchfork mob probably amount to most of the people who found the article "offensive" and wanted it pulled because of that.

FlyerTalker01565

Normal people in healthy democracies don't call that very democracy an "infectious disease".

This is truly a cultural difference. While such a statement may win you many friends in Sweden, it's pretty abhorrent to most of us.

FlyerTalker01565

Throwing Anders Breivik in there is like a modern version of Godwin's Law.

GUWonder

Not really. He's a modern-day, living example of how nativist xenophobia in democratic states is an infectious disease and what that hateful disease produces in democratic states: murderous hate crimes and hate crimes of various other sorts.

Xenophobic populism is an infectious disease in the democratic Nordic states too. Doesn't its spread please the "muslim"-bashers? It pleases them.

Unhealthy democracies?

Only your post has called "that very democracy an infectious disease". If you re-read the English-language post to which you responded and properly understand the English grammar within it, perhaps then you too will understand how it is only your post here which has claimed that "that very democracy is an infectious disease".

The xenophobic nativist parties in parliaments in the Nordic Council countries, much like the white supremacist movements from which they built upon, are nowhere close to being a democratic majority. SAS management and its publication's contributor probably know that too.

FlyerTalker01565

I hope we can agree that the secularism that has taken a stronghold i Scandinavia is for the better. If were at a point now when religiously influenced ideology cannot be criticized, then I can only say that we'll never agree. I believe in freedom, not in a man in the sky.

ABB could just as well be an example of how we need to have this talk to prevent sick people from acting on their own. Denmark, which has a very open debate climate, has significantly less political violence than Sweden.

I find it in rather bad taste to capitalize on dozen of dead Norwegian teenagers, so I'll leave you to keep using the Utøya tragedy as a catalyst for your political goals. You should be ashamed of yourself.

This is my final comment on the matter.