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Trust American Airlines to offer you the perfect package at the best price, guaranteed! When you choose to bundle your travel components into one package price we can offer you an unbeatable value by combining our unpublished low rates on flights with specially negotiated rates on hotels, activities and transportation. So, whether you're looking for a quick flight plus hotel weekend getaway or an all-inclusive package complete with flight, hotel, ground transportation and tickets to local attractions, you can rest easy knowing the entire trip is covered by our Lowest Price Guarantee.
Link to AA Vacations site website

FAQ

Q. Do these earn AA EQM and Award Miles (RDM)? Will they earn EQD (EQ Dollars) in 2017?

These generally book into discount paid fare buckets, so "Yes" at this time. There are a few promotional offers that do not earn EQM; these will clearly say so, so read thoroughly. See:

Special fares: Earning Award Miles and Elite Qualifying Credits on aa.com

and

Earning AA Elite Qualifying Miles / EQM on AA, oneworld, partners 2016

and this for the changes affecting Award Miles coming in the latter part of 2016.

Earning AA Award / Redeemable Miles / RDM on AA, partners later 2016


Q. Can I upgrade these with AA upgrade instruments (e500 "stickers", miles and copay, SWU)?

Currently, yes. These would follow the standard AA upgrade rules.


Q. Can I use AAdvantage Award Miles to "pay" for a vacation?

Yes. You can "pay" with money (cards, etc.), AAdvantage miles or a combination of both.


Q. So, what kinds of fares are ineligible for earning AA miles?

Certain airline tickets are not eligible for earning mileage credit. These include, without limitation, the following: all tickets issued as AAdvantage awards or other free ticket promotions including free or reduced rate tickets; companion tickets; charter flight tickets; travel agency/industry reduced rate tickets; infant tickets; items occupying a purchased seat; unpublished fare tickets, including consolidator fares, tickets issued as a result of a fare published inadvertently or by mistake and tickets issued subject to special provisions.

Link to AAdvantage Terms and Conditions
Exceptions (aa.com)

There are certain airline ticket types that are not eligible for mileage accrual regardless of the booking class. These include, without limitation, the following:

Q Are there any types of tickets that won’t earn award miles?

Yes, tickets that currently do not earn award miles, elite-qualifying miles or elite-qualifying segments will not earn award miles in the future. This includes:

  • All tickets issued as AAdvantage awards

  • Other free ticket promotions including free or reduced rate tickets

  • Companion tickets

  • Charter flight tickets

  • Travel agency/industry reduced rate tickets

  • Infant tickets

  • Extra seats or items occupying a purchased seat

  • Unpublished fare tickets, including consolidator fares

  • Tickets issued subject to special provisions
Q. What about EQM and Award ("Redeemable") Miles earning later in 2016?

AA has specified a set of "Special Fares", which includes AA Vacations:

Some fares (such as bulk or consolidator fares) earn award miles and Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQDs) at a modified rate based on a percentage of the distance flown as determined by the booking code.

Special fares are often purchased through a specialized agent, third party or as part of a package including air transportation and lodging.

Examples:
  • Bulk fares

  • Cruise fares

  • Consolidator fares

  • Discounted or inclusive tour packages

  • Vacation packages, including American Airlines Vacations® (AAV) packages

  • Other tickets where the fare isn't disclosed, excluding bookings made through priceline.com or hotwire.com where the carrier isn't disclosed before buying
Note that the Special Fares page also says, "AAdvantage elite member bonuses will be applied in addition to the percentages shown for award miles."


Q. What fare classes do First and Business packages book into?

Typically A for international First, A or P domestic F, and I or D international Business.


Q. What if I'm flying on a flight on a partner airline?

AA Vacations most often books into AA "code shares" / AA marketed flights. In that case, you'll earn miles as if flying on American. If it doesn't, you'll earn per the agreement AA has with the partner airline. Start here to look them up.


Q. What advance purchase restrictions are imposed?

Most advance purchase, minimum stay, etc. normally imposed by the airline don't apply; the restrictions are those imposed by AA Vacations. (Detailed Fare Rules for your fare generally do apply, however.)


Q. Are the trips or fares refundable?

Generally not fully refundable. Hotels and ground activities are generally not at all, and air will depend on the fare bucket and detailed rules. AA vacations does offer protection, but hotels etc. may not be included.

"There are two types of protection available: We offer the Cancellation and Change Waiver (Pre-Departure Protection) which allows you to cancel and/or change either the land or air portion of their package without penalty. Trip Protector (Post-Departure protection) from Allianz Global Assistance can provide protection for your trip expenses, your health and your belongings."

A waiver is usually $129.


Q. What is the shortest time I can book an air-hotel package for?

It appears three nights is the shortest period allowed by aavacations.


Q. Can I book a ten day package with only three days of prepaid hotel?

Sure. You'll have to call to do so, however.


Q. Is only one hotel offered?

No. A variety of properties is generally offered, but this will of course affect pricing.


Q. Does the hotel have to be in the destination city?

No. You can book a property in another city if it's offered by AA Vacations.


Q. What happens if I don't use the ground part (hotel, car, etc.)? Will they cancel my return flights?

Nothing. You can use it or forget it. No flight cancellations ensue. See AA Vacations - not checking in at Hotel Some purposely book the cheapest pricing for their trip knowing they're choosing a "throwaway hotel" they won't use.

Though one AA Vacations agent actually said "always book with us and just book the cheapest hotel for 3 days and throw it away", don't you say it's your intent.


Q. Will AA Vacations cause problems for me?

If you disclose your intent to AA Vacations to "throw away" (not stay at) the hotel, they can not sell you the package. So, don't.


Q. Will the hotel cause problems for me?

Not likely; they're paid for a prepaid stay whether you stay or not, as they get to keep the money and have "your" room to sell.


Q. Will I earn points at the hotel? Will they recognize my status?

Many chains don't recognize third party bookings for points or stay credit, but will usually recognize your status. Properties will treat as prepaid booking.


Q. Are there ever deals or promos?

Indeed. There are often sales and promotions; look for them on the site.


Q. What if I want to book open jaw or customize?

Calling can do that. There's a $39 call fee, unless it's not able to be booked online. Others have said you can generally calculate the price of an open jaw itinerary by adding half the price of pricing for vacations to the arrival and departure cities and adding those.


Q. Can I put these on "hold" while I think about it since these include air fare?

No. But: Refund of Air Ticket Portion Within 24 Hours of Purchase

Within 24 hours of booking, you are allowed to cancel your refundable or non-refundable air ticket for a full refund (and no change fees and/or difference in fare) subject to the following rules:
  • You must call 800-321-2121 within 24 hours of purchase to cancel the air ticket reservation and request a refund of the air ticket.
  • The reservation must have been booked at least 7 days before scheduled departure.
  • This policy does not apply to hotel or other non-air portions of the package. Standard cancellation policies will apply to all non-air components of the package.
  • Refunds are only issued for tickets booked on aavacations.com or with American Airlines Vacations Reservations.

Q. My AAdvantage credit card earns double Award ("Redeemable") Miles on AA purchases. Will AA Vacations purchases earn 2x miles?

No. What transactions are eligible to earn double AAdvantage® miles?

Eligible American Airlines purchases are items billed by American Airlines as the merchant of record booked through American Airlines channels (aa.com, American Airlines Reservations, American Airlines airport, in-flight and city ticket counters). American Airlines tickets purchased through other channels or that are a component of any other cruise or tour package do not earn the additional mile purchase bonuses. Products or services that do not qualify for the additional bonus miles include car rentals, hotel reservations, American Airlines Vacations packages, purchases of American Airlines AAdvantage miles, duty free purchases and or AA Cargo℠
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 3:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
Given that AAvacations bookings have a clear breakdown between flight and hotel prices it would be easy enough to have the flight fare component count towards RDM, I see no reason to believe this would stop until it specifically says somewhere otherwise.
They do, but if you click Print Receipt under AA.com, it now says the fare paid is ALL taxes!

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Old Feb 4, 2016, 4:23 pm
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Originally Posted by surftb15
They do, but if you click Print Receipt under AA.com, it now says the fare paid is ALL taxes!

What if you go to the AA refunds website and put in the ticket number, what does it say there with respect to fare paid etc?
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 7:24 pm
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Originally Posted by surftb15
They do, but if you click Print Receipt under AA.com, it now says the fare paid is ALL taxes!

lol if the entire "discount" is applied to the fare and only non-eligible taxes remain that's a dick move by AA. Can you post a screenshot or something that shows the breakdown by any chance?
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
lol if the entire "discount" is applied to the fare and only non-eligible taxes remain that's a dick move by AA. Can you post a screenshot or something that shows the breakdown by any chance?
Looks like that isn't the case:
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 8:23 am
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Sorry, not buying this.
Delta Vacations packages earn SkyMiles, although it's based on distance flown. And of course UA copied Delta.

No way AA would remove RDM accrual, and if they do, I doubt it would be for long...

ETA:
There's this language on AA.com under the FAQ for Award miles:
How will award miles be calculated for AA marketed flights starting in the second half of 2016?
...
Some ticket types, such as those sold in conjunction with a vacation package or tickets where the actual fare is not disclosed like consolidator, bulk fare or student tickets will earn award miles based on a percentage of distance flown as determined by the fare class purchased.

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Old Feb 5, 2016, 4:59 pm
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The SEA-LHR rates are crazy right now for the rest of the winter. Either the BA nonstop or slightly better seat via a decent connection in DFW, right around $3k for I, although I had to settle for $3.5k because only D available for the return. The crazy thing is it is packaging the Mondrian for about $400 more on a 3 night stay... that's about the daily room rate at that property (for somewhat good reason, location is not great for many folks).
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 5:14 pm
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Originally Posted by stephem
The SEA-LHR rates are crazy right now for the rest of the winter. Either the BA nonstop or slightly better seat via a decent connection in DFW, right around $3k for I, although I had to settle for $3.5k because only D available for the return. The crazy thing is it is packaging the Mondrian for about $400 more on a 3 night stay... that's about the daily room rate at that property (for somewhat good reason, location is not great for many folks).
not just SEA-LHR

Avg per person
Booked Separately$9,435.00
You Save- $6,395.34
Total price
$3,039.66


:lol (SEA-ZRH)
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 5:30 pm
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Looks like we are checking out the same origination points ;-) I like the BA LHR-YVR flight because it gives me a 3/4 day on Friday, the LHR-SEA flight is 2:15pm departure, so pretty much a wash. Will be really nice once YVR goes to A380 later this year. Crazy that we can get these coded as AA for 2x EQM at these prices.

The bottom of the barrel pricing for SEA/YVR to EU seems to be BRU. I actually had to go there and the fare was so cheap it almost looked like an economy class fare ;-) I think I got it down to $2500 with the cheapest hotel.

BTW- I priced out some Gulf/MEA flights and while there were some decent fares, I couldn't stomach 2 longhauls on the BA product or the multiple connections to get QR into the mix. Thankfully I checked CX out of YVR and they had a well priced deal for those of us paying in USD.

Originally Posted by Smiley90
not just SEA-LHR

Avg per person
Booked Separately$9,435.00
You Save- $6,395.34
Total price
$3,039.66


:lol (SEA-ZRH)
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Old Feb 8, 2016, 3:14 pm
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Originally Posted by stephem
Looks like we are checking out the same origination points ;-) I like the BA LHR-YVR flight because it gives me a 3/4 day on Friday, the LHR-SEA flight is 2:15pm departure, so pretty much a wash. Will be really nice once YVR goes to A380 later this year. Crazy that we can get these coded as AA for 2x EQM at these prices.

The bottom of the barrel pricing for SEA/YVR to EU seems to be BRU. I actually had to go there and the fare was so cheap it almost looked like an economy class fare ;-) I think I got it down to $2500 with the cheapest hotel.

BTW- I priced out some Gulf/MEA flights and while there were some decent fares, I couldn't stomach 2 longhauls on the BA product or the multiple connections to get QR into the mix. Thankfully I checked CX out of YVR and they had a well priced deal for those of us paying in USD.
Try XXX-LHR-DUB. I did this for a UK trip in late Jan 2016, D fares for AA codeshare was ~$2K less than same XXX-LHR flight. As luck would have it, I was able to take a cheap EI commuter flight from DUB to my final destination, travel time was about the same as the train.
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Very excited that I read this thread. Just bought my first ever international Business class tickets because of this. We were planning our Christmas/New Years trip for next year and nothing was working for using miles or upgrades and none of us are willing to fly coach. In the end buying the tickets in this manner was only about $700 more per person than the one way flights and award we initially wanted to book. And we saved 70,000 miles per person for the one way return from Europe.

Even the hotel worked out as I needed three nights in one of the cities and package had the hotel we had already booked with points at a very reasonable price (Munich right before Christmas so prices are low). So got those SPG points back as well.

All booked using BA A380s for 4 of us. Only thing that will bite a bit is having to pay for seat assignments.
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 3:17 pm
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Consider whether investing in an AA status challenge might make sense too, with all AA codes on this ticket you should get a fair chunk of EQMs out of the deal. It may make sense for one or more in your party to get AA status (or most of the way there) out of the trip through a challenge.

Originally Posted by SF1K
Very excited that I read this thread. Just bought my first ever international Business class tickets because of this. We were planning our Christmas/New Years trip for next year and nothing was working for using miles or upgrades and none of us are willing to fly coach. In the end buying the tickets in this manner was only about $700 more per person than the one way flights and award we initially wanted to book. And we saved 70,000 miles per person for the one way return from Europe.

Even the hotel worked out as I needed three nights in one of the cities and package had the hotel we had already booked with points at a very reasonable price (Munich right before Christmas so prices are low). So got those SPG points back as well.

All booked using BA A380s for 4 of us. Only thing that will bite a bit is having to pay for seat assignments.
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Old Feb 19, 2016, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
Sorry, not buying this.
Delta Vacations packages earn SkyMiles, although it's based on distance flown. And of course UA copied Delta.

No way AA would remove RDM accrual, and if they do, I doubt it would be for long...

ETA:
There's this language on AA.com under the FAQ for Award miles:
How will award miles be calculated for AA marketed flights starting in the second half of 2016?
...
Some ticket types, such as those sold in conjunction with a vacation package or tickets where the actual fare is not disclosed like consolidator, bulk fare or student tickets will earn award miles based on a percentage of distance flown as determined by the fare class purchased.
Here's my guess about later 2016, post revenue-based Award Miles earnings implementation, hopefully educated:

EQM and EQS: earned as currently based on the fare class. Never less than 1 EQM per flown mile, as this has been an AAdvantage hallmark for all published fares marketed by AA (AA flight numbers).

Award "RDM" or "Redeemable") Miles. These would be based on the fare class and "Base Miles" flown (on published AA marketed fares, 100% until the new tranche of "Spirit type" highly discounted fares come, and we don't know if AA Vacations would handle those - let's hope not!) times status. On other airline marketed flights, Base Miles used for calculating Award Miles can vary.

I'm hoping anyone who gets clarification will post. Meantime, watch these for changes to the current EQM / EQS earnings as of 1/1/2016:

Earning AA Elite Qualifying Miles / EQM on AA, oneworld, partners 2016

and this for the changes affecting Award Miles coming in the latter part of 2016.

Earning AA Award / Redeemable Miles / RDM on AA, partners later 2016

In fact, I'll put these here and maybe add a wikipost here similar to the one I'm writing for the AA forum thread. Thanks to all of you who have shared so much information, of course!

OK, done; wikipost with the basics at the top of the page.

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Old Feb 20, 2016, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by JDiver;26212596[B
Award[/B] "RDM" or "Redeemable") Miles. These would be based on the fare class and "Base Miles" flown (on published AA marketed fares, 100% until the new tranche of "Spirit type" highly discounted fares come, and we don't know if AA Vacations would handle those - let's hope not!) times status. On other airline marketed flights, Base Miles used for calculating Award Miles can vary.
This thread is about reduced J fares, I don't *think* there will be "Spirit Type" business fares...

I'm willing to wager these fares/packages will continue to earn 150% of miles flown on AA.
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Old Feb 20, 2016, 2:59 pm
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Checking to see if hotel status is honored with package

Hi. We are considering one of these packages to Venice and thinking about the Hilton Molino Stuckey hotel.

Has anyone had any experience with hotels honoring status--in this case, giving us access to the lounge as a Hilton diamond? I know the package won't earn Hilton Honors points.

Thoughts? Thanks.

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Old Feb 22, 2016, 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by silver springer
Hi. We are considering one of these packages to Venice and thinking about the Hilton Molino Stuckey hotel.

Has anyone had any experience with hotels honoring status--in this case, giving us access to the lounge as a Hilton diamond? I know the package won't earn Hilton Honors points.

Thoughts? Thanks.
IME you still get your status benefits. I had a similar experience with AA paying for a Hilton during IROPs. No HH points but got lounge access.
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