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Apr 11, 2015, 1:40 pm

#106

orbitmic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TLVtraveler

You are right about WBC/EBC earning BUT in the TLV case, despite being advertised as WBC it's actually being ticketed as J while earning 250%. I think the situation on the TLV route is unique as it's not really WBC but it's also not really EBC (as mentioned before, on the TLV route you will get all the WBC amenities but with a Y seat). We actually had an interesting discussion regarding that matter in the KL forum, KLM seems to not understand the Israeli market, while most carriers consider TLV a golden ticket, KLM doesn't seem to profit too much out of that route:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-f...-strategy.html

I think the reason that KLM sells the TLV route as J and not Z is to compensate pax for the bad hard product they offer.

Thanks! That's very interesting, I didn't know! That makes it quite interesting from a MR point of view as it thus earns over 5000 level miles each way, which is, for instance, more than most East coast USA routes in Z!!

Apr 11, 2015, 9:15 pm

#107

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Originally Posted by orbitmic

hmmm, for NA based customers makes the idea of combining with the BOS fares more attractive http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/premi...827-ai-rt.html

Apr 12, 2015, 1:03 am

#108

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Dear ALL,

If someone can help me with this one as information is so sparse on the internet and not a single mention about WUH or that WUH is announced as the next 72 hours visa free program but not yet published on TIMATIC.

I have:

AF CDG/WUH arriving 0930 16/5

connecting with a separate ticket (Flying Blue award) the same day:

CZ WUH/HKT non stop 23:00 16/5

Is this good enough for the 24 hour visa free transit in WUH? I am putting myself in the worse scenario as the 72 hours is still not published yet for this airport.

Separate tickets will mean not having boarding passed with CZ and probably bags wont be checked till final destination to have in mind.
Thanks in advance,

GC.

Apr 12, 2015, 5:15 am

#109

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Quote:

Originally Posted by giancarlosilvestri

You already posted the same thing here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/china...thread-51.html

The wikipost for that thread contains sufficient info to address your query (i.e. your plan is okay.).

Apr 12, 2015, 2:06 pm

#110

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moondog

You already posted the same thing here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/china...thread-51.html

The wikipost for that thread contains sufficient info to address your query (i.e. your plan is okay.).

Cheers Man!

Apr 14, 2015, 11:20 am

#111

gordo6

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KL803

I had no problems to replicate your itinerary on www.kayak.com, interestingly though only by selecting the country (at the bottom of the page) to either Italy, Germany or Switzerland… I also managed to get the fare on matrix.itasoftware.com with exactly your above routing. If you have time to play, check out this thread, install the script then you can book it on Delta Airlines

Ended up asking my TA to make the booking for me...

Apr 16, 2015, 3:47 am

#112

ehud

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OK Booked AF-

TLV-CDG-PVG (5 nights in Shanghai)
PVG-WUH (overnight) // WUH-CAN-TLV
All in Z (or J) Class. New 777-200 seats!

1223$ All in !!

Any reason not to credit the flights to AZ (200% for AF flights)?

Last edited by ehud; Apr 16, 2015 at 11:25 pm

Apr 16, 2015, 3:10 pm

#113

gordo6

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ehud

New 777-200 seats!

How do you know the flights will have the new seats?

Apr 16, 2015, 11:29 pm

#114

ehud

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gordo6

How do you know the flights will have the new seats?

Those Long haul legs are always operated with the new configuration (1-2-1)
I also had the opportunity to select seats.

Apr 19, 2015, 6:37 am

#115

baxxter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ehud

How do you get the return flight to route through CAN?

I can find TLV-CDG-PVG / PVG-WUH / WUH-CDG on google flights and expedia, but anytime I try to include CAN, either there are no flights found, or the price doubles or triples.

Any suggestions?

Apr 20, 2015, 12:28 pm

#116

baxxter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ehud

How did you get the return to route through CAN? I can price TLV-CDG-PVG, PVG-WUH, WUH-CDG-TLV, but not with CAN included.

What did you do that I am missing??

Apr 20, 2015, 12:50 pm

#117

ehud

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Quote:

Originally Posted by baxxter

How did you get the return to route through CAN? I can price TLV-CDG-PVG, PVG-WUH, WUH-CDG-TLV, but not with CAN included.

What did you do that I am missing??

Expedia.com
From my experience you have to have the return flights departing WUH on Tuesdays.
Anyway don't put WUH-CAN as an additional leg on Expedia

See example below:

Flight 1:
Tue. May. 26
Tel Aviv Shanghai Paris
TLV 5:40pm PVG 4:35pm +1 day 1 Stop
17h 55m
Air France 1621
Air France 116

Flight 2: Mon. Jun. 1
Shanghai Wuhan
PVG 12:45pm WUH 2:35pm Nonstop
1h 50m
China Eastern Airlines 2692

Flight 3: Tue. Jun. 2
Wuhan Tel Aviv Guangzhou, Paris
WUH 7:20pm TLV 4:20pm +1 day 2 Stops
26h 0m
Air France 4407 operated by China Southern Airlines
Air France 107
Air France 1620

$1,233
per person
includes taxes & fees

Last edited by ehud; Apr 20, 2015 at 1:33 pm

Apr 21, 2015, 12:29 am

#118

Epicura

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Changes?

Well, I booked 3 tix for late October on this fare, KL Z (short haul in J), and I accidentally booked the wrong dates

. My children have their school holidays a full week later

. Booked on Exp about 1 week ago. Z fare is supposed to be non refundable and no changes permitted (afaik).

Anybody succeeded somehow to change the dates? And would it make a difference in this case to make changes after flown the first leg CGN-AMS?

Apr 21, 2015, 3:56 am

#119

FlyingOutTLV

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Epicura

Well, I booked 3 tix for late October on this fare, KL Z (short haul in J), and I accidentally booked the wrong dates

. My children have their school holidays a full week later

On the KLM website (My Trip) the fare rules say 400USD to cancel and 240USD to change. Which is weird because I was sure it was non-refundable when I purchased the ticket (though I remembered it was changeable).

Contact KLM.

Apr 21, 2015, 6:42 am

#120

deissi

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I tried making changes for our easter trip HEL-WUH/XIY-HEL, and they were very strict about enforcing the rule. I tried a few agents separately, but to no avail. In the end, we were actually rerouted on the outbound due to inclement weather in AMS and ended up flying HEL-PEK on AY, so I guess karma was on my side this time