What happens after you're in a plane crash like OZ 214?
#61
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Hahaha! I love the "bird watcher gone astray" line! That's exactly why I have never sprung for one of these vests....I don't like being labeled as a tourist, particularly overseas, and so I steer clear of these kinds of things.
Does anyone have one of these Scottvests? Are they fairly discreet to wear when loaded down with stuff so that you don't feel like a hardware store?
Does anyone have one of these Scottvests? Are they fairly discreet to wear when loaded down with stuff so that you don't feel like a hardware store?
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slightly off topic....but I noticed that AF # 84 from CDG-SFO was diverted to SEA yesterday. We are taking that plane next spring. Would they have gone through customs at SEA? ( the plane eventually made it to SFO but 7 hours late) If SEA is actually our final destination, would we have been given permission to just go home or would we have to go on to SFO and then back?
In your example, If passangers have to leave the plane I see no other option other than passing through immigration at SEA.
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Still waiting for an answer to OP from someone with firsthand knowledge. I suspect this hasn't been publicized much because USG doesn't want people to know that rules can be bent in emergencies and that this whole little charade of passport and customs control is utterly unnecessary.
As a practical matter you simply can't have a CBP agent in every ambulance, every fire engine, etc much less having the equipment (last time I checked they don't have ipads) to process each incoming victim. So either they process them in mass, or they handle it sometime down the road after they are released. My guess is that the "lucky" ones (those without signficant injuries) get the pleasure /sarc of being transported to a "sterile" area or at least a holding area where CBP processes everyone as best they can and probably waives certain formalities for those without actual documents based on info supplied by the airline and matched to the database. But that's just a guess, it would be great to hear from someone who has actually been through this process in the USA.
As for the question about diverted planes, the answer is "it depends". If the plane offloads there are 2 choices. Process and release passengers (they can then make arrangements to get where they were trying to go) or place them in a holding area and then reboard them later on the same plane to get to their final destination or a nearby airport where they are processed. the latter option really sucks as your mobility is limited (think worse than Snowden) and you have to rely on the good graces of the airline and CBP to feed you much less provide sleeping space if it is a really long delay (think 9/11). I'd bet there was some of both this weekend.
As a practical matter you simply can't have a CBP agent in every ambulance, every fire engine, etc much less having the equipment (last time I checked they don't have ipads) to process each incoming victim. So either they process them in mass, or they handle it sometime down the road after they are released. My guess is that the "lucky" ones (those without signficant injuries) get the pleasure /sarc of being transported to a "sterile" area or at least a holding area where CBP processes everyone as best they can and probably waives certain formalities for those without actual documents based on info supplied by the airline and matched to the database. But that's just a guess, it would be great to hear from someone who has actually been through this process in the USA.
As for the question about diverted planes, the answer is "it depends". If the plane offloads there are 2 choices. Process and release passengers (they can then make arrangements to get where they were trying to go) or place them in a holding area and then reboard them later on the same plane to get to their final destination or a nearby airport where they are processed. the latter option really sucks as your mobility is limited (think worse than Snowden) and you have to rely on the good graces of the airline and CBP to feed you much less provide sleeping space if it is a really long delay (think 9/11). I'd bet there was some of both this weekend.
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Regarding Scottevest and, secondarily, solutions for women. I own five Scottevest travel vests, in a variety of colors. I always fly wearing one of the vests. It holds Tom Bihn flat wallets, passport, camera, iPod (with earbuds threaded through the clever wiring system), pen & pencil, lipstick, two packages of wipes (clorox wipes for wiping down tray table and armrests, plus handwipes), cellphone, and there are pockets to spare. I'm five feet tall and even loaded the vest looks sleek. Some Scottevest users load up with lots more, including iPad, water bottle, etc. I don't take the vest off while in flight unless I'm sleeping in a flat-bed seat. I take the vest off and zip it up to go through security, folding it a couple of times and placing it in a bin under something else (hat or coat).
Sign up for e-mails at the Scottevest website, they have daily sales at 20% off and occasionally have 40% off specials. I also own a SEV dress, trenchcoat, jacket, several q-zips, and a great burnout-fabric cardigan. My husband has several SEV shirts and likes all the hidden pockets. I have no affiliation with SEV, just a happy customer.
Before traveling with SEV vests I used to put passport, money, credit cards in a neck wallet under my clothing. I also have several small pouch-type tiny purses from Pacsafe, those I wear cross body under an open shirt layered over a tee or tank. There are many attractive cross-body purses women can wear, any size up to about 8 x 8 would be good.
My lifelong best friend retired as a flight attendant and recurrent training instructor for a major US airline. She has drilled into me for years to wear all my necessary items on my body, always fly in cotton or wool clothing (synthetics melt to your body in a fire), and wear walking shoes and socks (no heels or sandals). Southwest has the right idea for their FA uniforms: khaki cotton pants, collared shirts, athletic shoes.
Sign up for e-mails at the Scottevest website, they have daily sales at 20% off and occasionally have 40% off specials. I also own a SEV dress, trenchcoat, jacket, several q-zips, and a great burnout-fabric cardigan. My husband has several SEV shirts and likes all the hidden pockets. I have no affiliation with SEV, just a happy customer.
Before traveling with SEV vests I used to put passport, money, credit cards in a neck wallet under my clothing. I also have several small pouch-type tiny purses from Pacsafe, those I wear cross body under an open shirt layered over a tee or tank. There are many attractive cross-body purses women can wear, any size up to about 8 x 8 would be good.
My lifelong best friend retired as a flight attendant and recurrent training instructor for a major US airline. She has drilled into me for years to wear all my necessary items on my body, always fly in cotton or wool clothing (synthetics melt to your body in a fire), and wear walking shoes and socks (no heels or sandals). Southwest has the right idea for their FA uniforms: khaki cotton pants, collared shirts, athletic shoes.
#65
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Hahaha! I love the "bird watcher gone astray" line! That's exactly why I have never sprung for one of these vests....I don't like being labeled as a tourist, particularly overseas, and so I steer clear of these kinds of things.
Does anyone have one of these Scottvests? Are they fairly discreet to wear when loaded down with stuff so that you don't feel like a hardware store?
Does anyone have one of these Scottvests? Are they fairly discreet to wear when loaded down with stuff so that you don't feel like a hardware store?
Loading it to capacity would certainly stand out.
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If I was in an emergency airplane evacuation and a fellow pax was blocking the aisle to finish up a phone call or retrieve their bag, I would do something physical to rectify the situation--snatch the phone and toss it, or kick down the passenger and walk over them. As bad as it sounds, if you endanger my life for your own convenience and I have to choose which one of us lives, it'll be me 100% of the time.
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Still waiting for an answer to OP from someone with firsthand knowledge. I suspect this hasn't been publicized much because USG doesn't want people to know that rules can be bent in emergencies and that this whole little charade of passport and customs control is utterly unnecessary.
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Still waiting for an answer to OP from someone with firsthand knowledge. I suspect this hasn't been publicized much because USG doesn't want people to know that rules can be bent in emergencies and that this whole little charade of passport and customs control is utterly unnecessary.
As a practical matter you simply can't have a CBP agent in every ambulance, every fire engine, etc much less having the equipment (last time I checked they don't have ipads) to process each incoming victim. So either they process them in mass, or they handle it sometime down the road after they are released. My guess is that the "lucky" ones (those without signficant injuries) get the pleasure /sarc of being transported to a "sterile" area or at least a holding area where CBP processes everyone as best they can and probably waives certain formalities for those without actual documents based on info supplied by the airline and matched to the database. But that's just a guess, it would be great to hear from someone who has actually been through this process in the USA.
As for the question about diverted planes, the answer is "it depends". If the plane offloads there are 2 choices. Process and release passengers (they can then make arrangements to get where they were trying to go) or place them in a holding area and then reboard them later on the same plane to get to their final destination or a nearby airport where they are processed. the latter option really sucks as your mobility is limited (think worse than Snowden) and you have to rely on the good graces of the airline and CBP to feed you much less provide sleeping space if it is a really long delay (think 9/11). I'd bet there was some of both this weekend.
As a practical matter you simply can't have a CBP agent in every ambulance, every fire engine, etc much less having the equipment (last time I checked they don't have ipads) to process each incoming victim. So either they process them in mass, or they handle it sometime down the road after they are released. My guess is that the "lucky" ones (those without signficant injuries) get the pleasure /sarc of being transported to a "sterile" area or at least a holding area where CBP processes everyone as best they can and probably waives certain formalities for those without actual documents based on info supplied by the airline and matched to the database. But that's just a guess, it would be great to hear from someone who has actually been through this process in the USA.
As for the question about diverted planes, the answer is "it depends". If the plane offloads there are 2 choices. Process and release passengers (they can then make arrangements to get where they were trying to go) or place them in a holding area and then reboard them later on the same plane to get to their final destination or a nearby airport where they are processed. the latter option really sucks as your mobility is limited (think worse than Snowden) and you have to rely on the good graces of the airline and CBP to feed you much less provide sleeping space if it is a really long delay (think 9/11). I'd bet there was some of both this weekend.
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Did you miss my post, quoting someone who was on flight 214, saying they went through customs?
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Did you miss my post, quoting someone who was on flight 214, saying they went through customs?
And of course still doesn't answer the question as to those who were rushed to hospitals, including any accompanying relatives.
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Still waiting for an answer to OP from someone with firsthand knowledge. I suspect this hasn't been publicized much because USG doesn't want people to know that rules can be bent in emergencies and that this whole little charade of passport and customs control is utterly unnecessary.
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I think it does, but that's another topic for another forum. Sorry for digressing.
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I find it incredible, but one airport firefighter reported that CBP still requires formal processing even in the event of cardiac arrest. Good to know the US government is so concerned about border security /sarc
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...php?p=16453790
The first have been patients with medical problems while standing in line checking through Customs, one in cardiac arrest. The CBP folks rush them to the front of the line and they are not transported until they pass through the red tape - including the one person in cardiac arrest. It only takes seconds for Customs to do whatever it is they do, and all patients were on their way.
The second was some type of Canadian naval sailor who was airlifted to shore for a medical emergency. Customs met us on the ramp and processed him while we moved him to the rescue. Again, very quick, but no non-Americans get out of the airport until CBP says so.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...php?p=16453790
The first have been patients with medical problems while standing in line checking through Customs, one in cardiac arrest. The CBP folks rush them to the front of the line and they are not transported until they pass through the red tape - including the one person in cardiac arrest. It only takes seconds for Customs to do whatever it is they do, and all patients were on their way.
The second was some type of Canadian naval sailor who was airlifted to shore for a medical emergency. Customs met us on the ramp and processed him while we moved him to the rescue. Again, very quick, but no non-Americans get out of the airport until CBP says so.