coachrowsey

Hey we agree here^^

clrankin

Ahh, now that could be interpreted in so many ways, especially with Rolando asking his victim to get on his knees and beg...

Perhaps I should change my sig to "Rolando... TSA's newest bad apple-- with a small worm"

SATTSO

I agree; but I am only talking about what TSA can do. TSA can not press charges.

goalie

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fair statement ^ and a poor attempt at humor on my part <penalty accepted> but if i may, it's not tso's i despise per se as i am actually friends with a 3 tso's* (thanks to f/t) but rather the system and the agency that runs the system as it is operationally inefficient and operationally inept. as to tso's, there are good tso's and bad tso's just as there are good employees and bad employees in any organization but it appears that that tsa (corporate) takes zero accountability and responsibility when it comes to employees violating their own sop even when a pax has proof that the tso is wrong (i.e. me and my orthopedic shoes and d-y-w-t-f-t) or even worse, doing things that if a pax did, they would be arrested (i.e. bringing a gun thru the checkpoint a la alvin crabtree). that type of double standard cannot work in the environment the tsa is designed to work in as the tsa has to be above reproach and have zero tolerance to function correctly.

oh, and feel free to pick on me personally . won't be the first time and "something tells me" it won't be the last time

*i'm an equal opportunity tootsie-popper as if you are part of the f/t family and we meet, you get one. doesn't matter who you are or who you work for** (tho i might have to take a deep breath if it's a yankee's fan )


** a person's job is the one they chose and the employer they chose to work for and there is nothing wrong with that-it's how you perform at your job that matters to me

jiejie

[QUOTE=PhlyingRPh;13914893]I had a very bad experience with a checkpoint supervisor some 3+years ago (it's documented here somewhere), and during the follow-up investigation I was told off the record (verbally) that the individual had been fired as a result of my complaint, which was corroborated by other TSO's working that day. Needless to say, I was a little shocked to see the same guy working at my local airport at the checkpoint a few weeks ago. Either he wasn't really fired or they fired him then hired him back again. So, not only is it hard to fire a bad apple, to paraphrase you, it's also hard to prevent them coming back![/QUOTE]

Ugh, just like zombies. How do we rid ourselves of them for good: silver bullets, wooden stakes, or holy water? Betcha anything the Miami individuals involved don't get "fired" so much as recycled elsewhere in the TSA...maybe at different airports.

Boggie Dog

So these little TSA Kangaroo Administrative Courts are because some Police Department, not TSA, has pressed charges against travelers?

TSA should file a complaint with a law enforcement agency against the participants in this event. I think the guy who was the object of this abuse should also look into filing charges against all individuals for abuse and against TSA for allowing a hostile work environment to exist. With any justice everyone up to and including the FSD will be answering some serious questions about this.

The guy doing beating may be found guilty of assault but I believe he stands a good chance to win in the end.

Edit to add: I thought TSA had a law enforcement branch. Wasn't the Inspectors that harassed the guys who posted the SOP a few months back law enforcement officers?

If TSA does have LEO's then why can't they press charges against employees for employee misconduct?

Wally Bird

Yes, yes they do. That the TSA management does not get it says all that needs to be said about them.

Better a small penis than a small brain.

Anyway... (NSFW) http://nawtythings.com/cockrings5.html

clrankin

Here's how it would go down for me, if I were judge and jury:

- Rolando is found guilty of assault, and gets some jail time, followed up by supervised release, community service, and mandatory anger management classes. He is also, of course, fired from TSA. During sentencing, Rolando would be strongly encouraged to file a civil suit against parties involved in this.

- Rolando's supervisor is fired (ample justification for this, IMO). Relevant evidence-- security tapes, recordings, witnesses, etc.-- is made available to the police for criminal prosecution of sexual assault charges. He's found guilty and sentenced to 12-24 months of house arrest, 2000 hours of community service, and mandatory counselling sessions. He also gets labeled as a sexual predator, and is forced to remain on the sex offender list indefinitely.

- Others who have proven involvement with the joking are fired. Stated reason for firing: creation and/or contribution of creation of a hostile work environment due to sexual references and statements directed toward others. Unemployment benefits are contested by their former employer, because they were fired for cause.

- Rolando, while in jail, files a civil suit against his former supervisor and fired co-workers for (1) creation of a hostile work environment, (2) the emotional trauma created by their sex jokes, and (3) the "pain and suffering" they created. Rolando wins the civil suit, which forces his former supervisor and a few of his former co-workers into bankruptcy. He also sues the TSA, causing national attention to be directed toward Gale and the Porno Scopes. Gail gets fired, and the Porno Scope deployments get stopped from all the political fallout.

- Rolando's victim files a civil suit against him for the injuries, trauma, and pain and suffering Rolando caused. He wins.

- In the process of Rolando's victim's civil suit someone realizes that criminals aren't allowed to benefit from their crimes, and tries to strip Rolando of his judgment because that would be considered "profiting" from his crime. (The likelihood of this happening is slim, but I just like the added drama. )

- In the process of all these lawsuits, everyone in Miami finds out the exact size of Rolando's package, as measurements and pictures are submitted into evidence along with TSA Porno Viewer pictures.

- Jay Leno picks up on all this silliness and highlights it on his show, including Rolando's name and picture. Now the entire US knows about his "shortcomings".

- Rolando, seeing his picture and description on national TV, goes crazy and is involuntarily admitted to an asylum, which consumes any money left over from his above civil judgment.

- Rolando recovers and leaves the asylum, now penniless with a criminal record.

JSmith1969

All of those things are unlikely to happen, though, since TSA is unconcerned with security, professionalism, or courtesy. And it's hard to see how any of those actions would make people happier about TSA taking nude pictures of passengers, including minor children -- indeed, the great thing about this incident, from those of use who recognize these machines for the pointless and invasive abomination that they are is that TSA can no longer claim that the images generated are completely innocuous, or maintain its apparent policy of trying not to admit that the machines generate nude pictures of passengers, including minor children.

Of course, if TSA really wanted people to accept these pointless and invasive machines, TSA would release sample images that were the same size and resolution as those seen by the operators of the machine, bring the operators out into the open, adopt the sorts of software reportedly used in Amsterdam, and allow people to see their own images as they were generated. But, again, TSA is unconcerned with security or professionalism or courtesy or transparency, so none of these things are likely to happen.

Boggie Dog

Wondering if TSA is rethinking Automated Target Recognition (ATR) software?

Would seem to be in TSA's best interest to make it work!

SATTSO

I think your talking about administrative fines and admnistrative courts, which have nothing to do with LEOs. Security Inspectors hand out fines and such, not LEOs, and it is regulatory, not laws. As I understand it.

All airport hubs have an AFSD-LE, who is a LEO, and his job is to coordinate with te various LEO agencies that deal with TSA, to put it very simply (leaving a few things out).

DHS has some criminal investigators, but I do not believe their task is to investigate work place violence. They work with the FBI, CIA, SS, etc., to investigate possible breaches in national security, or potential terrorist activity.

Not sure if TSA has LEOs other than the AFSD-LE. I just don't know.

However, these incidents happened at a public airport, and fall under the bounds of local LE and the local DA, I believe. I coukd be wrong. Anyone feel free to correct me.

nah, I just happened to randomly pick your post to make my reply, though more than a few were making jokes. It really was random on my part picking what you said.

deldel

TSA won't even fire these clowns. They will let them resign and prove yet again that they have absolutely no concern for the right to privacy of its scanner victims, and zero accountability when there officers are so clearly in the wrong. They will post some BS that all TSO's will get sensitivity training to ensure that this does not happen again. The benefit of this situation is that it will bring more attention to the invasiveness of these scanners and perhaps more ppl will start refusing.

mrx900

oh ill have to click on this link on my home machine hehehe

Boggie Dog

I'll admit I don't know who should take the reins for investigating this but if TSA does not take firm steps to control this situation any little bit of credibility remaining will be lost IMHO.

Sexual harassment, workplace violence and all of the other tags you can tie to this will not help TSA when this gets to court and I believe it will.

goalie

^ but don't forget the rest of my post either (even the part about the yankees fan ) and i'll probably be give a misconduct for saying this but for the most part, many folks out here don't hate you and your counterparts but hate the system. you and your counterparts have shared some good "intel" which i for one have been grateful to have when traveling ^. it's just that sometimes we (myself included) get a little hot headed.