Does the TSA have(or want) authority over Amtrak and cruise lines?
Dec 1, 2010, 6:24 pm
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Chilling sign seen at a local port: U.S. Coast Guard Station, Department of Homeland Security.
Yup.
Dec 1, 2010, 6:51 pm
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TSA, working collaboratively, was at NYC earlier this year - doing security checks as part of an anti-terrorism exercise at Penn Stations, where commuter trains/regional rail lines and Amtrak all run and inter-connect, transferring to/from local subway & bus stations. 
Being part of Homeland Security with the clowns running and POTUS blessing, these unarmed uniformed clerks probably has been given authority over rails - it's just a matter of whether they have the extra "smurf"power to do it all the time.
Cruiselines at US ports are watched by CBP and it would not surprise me one tiny bit that TSA would extend their authority by virture of being part of Homeland Security.
It wouldn't surprise me if they would extend the checkpoint & security screening for the bicyclists on 2 wheels over public roads - good Lord !
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Being part of Homeland Security with the clowns running and POTUS blessing, these unarmed uniformed clerks probably has been given authority over rails - it's just a matter of whether they have the extra "smurf"power to do it all the time.
Cruiselines at US ports are watched by CBP and it would not surprise me one tiny bit that TSA would extend their authority by virture of being part of Homeland Security.
It wouldn't surprise me if they would extend the checkpoint & security screening for the bicyclists on 2 wheels over public roads - good Lord !
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Dec 1, 2010, 6:52 pm
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Dec 1, 2010, 9:52 pm
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They did searches at Penn Station, which is just laughable given the numerous ways to get to an Amtrak train without using the one escalator entrance that is announced and which was the only one TSA was anywhere near. Given the short peiod of time taken for boarding, their process of checking bags is unacceptable as people will very likely be made to miss the train (unless amtrak holds it, but for how long/how frequently). That's a situation where there will likely be words exchanged as people's patience disappear
Dec 2, 2010, 7:20 am
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The TSA wanted to take over and expand security for the Washington State Ferries. The WSDOT said "thanks, but we've got it covered" ^ . From this I infer that TSA needs agreement with operators and other LE agencies before horning in (other than at airports).
If NYPD were to tell the VIPR mob to **** off (yeah, as if), would they have to leave ?
If NYPD were to tell the VIPR mob to **** off (yeah, as if), would they have to leave ?
Dec 2, 2010, 8:15 am
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The TSA wanted to take over and expand security for the Washington State Ferries. The WSDOT said "thanks, but we've got it covered" ^ . From this I infer that TSA needs agreement with operators and other LE agencies before horning in (other than at airports).
If NYPD were to tell the VIPR mob to **** off (yeah, as if), would they have to leave ?
If NYPD were to tell the VIPR mob to **** off (yeah, as if), would they have to leave ?
Yet when that transportation provider makes that invitation, what do they get? Complete destruction of search/seizure, via administrative search. Look anywhere, any time, any one, any how. Do you want to Ferry today?
Dec 2, 2010, 9:32 am
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Cruise lines have their own security. And it's just as incompetent as the TSA. Found that one out the hard way. I went on a Royal Caribbean cruise this past summer. The day before the cruise left, after arriving in LA, I had to make a laptop repair - RAM went bad, so I had to drive out to MicroCenter and pick up some RAM and the tiny little screwdriver needed to open it (no lectures on taking a laptop on vacation please 
Its sole purpose was to unload pictures from my camera's memory card each day so I wouldn't run out of room). I left the screwdriver set in my suitcase, and the next day after boarding the ship, I never got my luggage delivered to my room. I inquired and was then told it was being held up at security on the lower deck, so I had to go down there and pick it up. They saw the screwdriver on the X-ray and the guy working there needed to have a little talk with me about why I had it. After discussing it with his supervisor for 5 minutes, they let me keep the screwdrivers. I guess they were worried I'd start taking apart the ship with a screwdriver that was probably too small to repair a pair of eyeglasses with.
Its sole purpose was to unload pictures from my camera's memory card each day so I wouldn't run out of room). I left the screwdriver set in my suitcase, and the next day after boarding the ship, I never got my luggage delivered to my room. I inquired and was then told it was being held up at security on the lower deck, so I had to go down there and pick it up. They saw the screwdriver on the X-ray and the guy working there needed to have a little talk with me about why I had it. After discussing it with his supervisor for 5 minutes, they let me keep the screwdrivers. I guess they were worried I'd start taking apart the ship with a screwdriver that was probably too small to repair a pair of eyeglasses with.
Dec 2, 2010, 10:58 am
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The TSA wanted to take over and expand security for the Washington State Ferries. The WSDOT said "thanks, but we've got it covered" ^ . From this I infer that TSA needs agreement with operators and other LE agencies before horning in (other than at airports).
If NYPD were to tell the VIPR mob to **** off (yeah, as if), would they have to leave ?
If NYPD were to tell the VIPR mob to **** off (yeah, as if), would they have to leave ?
We saw this with EWR. You've got NJ senators who want to ban NoS specifically in their home state (probably because they'll presumably still use common carriers every once in a while) and look what happened to that plan.
Well that's not surprising as USCG was transferred from DOT to DHS after 9/11, with the 2006 additonal proviso that DoD/DN may take command authority after a declaration of war.
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Dec 2, 2010, 11:13 am
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Dec 2, 2010, 12:53 pm
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I'm under the impression that VIPR has to be invited, for reasons that if someone has to be detained/arrested, the local authority has to be present (and agreeable) to process them (what law enforcement agency has authority over the WA State Ferry?). Yet you get a package-deal with the invitation... LEO (FAMs), management (FSD), and operations (TSOs). I'd just be surprised that anyone would be inviting the TSA to their business right now, given all the current press.
Yet when that transportation provider makes that invitation, what do they get? Complete destruction of search/seizure, via administrative search. Look anywhere, any time, any one, any how. Do you want to Ferry today?
Yet when that transportation provider makes that invitation, what do they get? Complete destruction of search/seizure, via administrative search. Look anywhere, any time, any one, any how. Do you want to Ferry today?
Dec 2, 2010, 1:01 pm
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Not necessary in my state. Horse drawn carriages are totally legal on all secondary roads. Not sure about state highways. No drivers license required. I was looking into this after I lost my license one time. It would be a totally legal way to inconvenience a lot of people. I wouldn't be above doing something like that if/when the TSA starts doing "random" traffic stops or roadblocks. Horses are expensive though. Nowadays.