I agree that a WIKI might not be the best idea, especially due to the possibilities that it could be hiajcked by certain (cough tsa cough) people..
I'll PM you about some ideas.. I'd be happy to create a real website with this information. Then we could spread a link such as www.travelwbifree.org to various news agencies..
Friendly, you have my full support and gratitude. I don't have the expertise or resources to set up a web site but am happy to provide as much content as I can. I'm thinking of a hybrid between dontscan.us and udustats.com, with base airport information editable only by trusted members and an open comment section for each airport.
I think a website with an updated list would be a great idea. Only a certain portion of users actually contribute to this list and the information can be come outdated.
The website can possibly allow user comments for each airport.
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I think a website with an updated list would be a great idea. Only a certain portion of users actually contribute to this list and the information can be come outdated.
The website can possibly allow user comments for each airport.
While we look into the creation of a website dedicated to the NoS, I still feel as though the info on this list is pretty up to date. Since I started this list, I've gotten anywhere from 5-20 messages per day with updates on the NoS. One FTer sends me comprehensive reports each week, and I just received another one with details on every C/P for the WAS airports..
I don't know if my PM from 4 days ago was received, but SAN now has 3 Rapiscan backscatter NoS machines at the American/Frontier c/p in Terminal 2. That means neither c/p in SAN Terminal 2 is safe.
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I don't know if my PM from 4 days ago was received, but SAN now has 3 Rapiscan backscatter NoS machines at the American/Frontier c/p in Terminal 2. That means neither c/p in SAN Terminal 2 is safe.
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Also, does anyone know the type currently used at ATL? I know they were one of the test airports for the L-3 ProVision millimeter wave scanners, however, I think I read somewhere that they were going to be switching to the Rapiscan backscatter X-ray scanners. Can anyone confirm that?
MMWs at the SkyPriority checkpoint mentioned in the OP.
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You might want to define all your acronyms on page one. I have been against the move by TSA of more invasive searches for some time, but I had trouble reading your airport list after finding this forum a few days ago. To the uninitiated looking for information on where these machines are, a list with MMW, C/P, NoS, BKSX, WTMD, etc is confusing. A simple listing of what each stand for at the top of the page would add a tremendous amount of clarity. When "cute" acronyms like Nude-o-Scope are created, no outsider to the forum has any clue what NoS means without doing research (I know I had to). We should make this as open and easy access as possible.
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You might want to define all your acronyms on page one. I have been against the move by TSA of more invasive searches for some time, but I had trouble reading your airport list after finding this forum a few days ago. To the uninitiated looking for information on where these machines are, a list with MMW, C/P, NoS, BKSX, WTMD, etc is confusing. A simple listing of what each stand for at the top of the page would add a tremendous amount of clarity. When "cute" acronyms like Nude-o-Scope are created, no outsider to the forum has any clue what NoS means without doing research (I know I had to). We should make this as open and easy access as possible.
Thanks for this list. It is very helpful.
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If you notice any airports missing, or any incomplete information, please send me a PM so I can fix it! I've also included a glossary of terms found in the list, below.
Welcome to FlyerTalk! At the top of the sticky, there is a blurb that mentions we have a glossary of terms at the bottom. I've attached that glossary here for your info..
Just a suggestion here: How about including the terms whole body image and advanced imaging technology in the title of this thread, so people who are not familiar with this site have a higher chance of finding it in a search? With the momentum gained against these scanners, I think we should try to help as many people who want to avoid them as possible!
The north checkpoint at SEA (for the D & N Gates) now has them installed. They were not in use when I was there a couple days ago, but the machines are there.
Went through the North C/P for the N & C gates this morning; perhaps the NoS's are behind the plywood wall painted white, but they aren't being used yet. Went thru a WTMD only.
What's the difference between the MMW and the BKSX? I had originally thought that the NoS's were an imaging machine that simply virtually stripped you. I didn't realize there were multiple kinds. And also, what does WTMD stand for?
What's the difference between the MMW and the BKSX? I had originally thought that the NoS's were an imaging machine that simply virtually stripped you. I didn't realize there were multiple kinds. And also, what does WTMD stand for?
BKSX (backscatter) uses low level X-ray that is blocked by your skin, yet not by your clothes. Moreover, some radiation is reflected instead of being absorbed. By combining those two ideas you get a "nude" picture. Generally considered to be the "worse" machine, as X-ray is pretty dangerous on itself. Lots of discussion about bksx science and health effects is going on. Many scientists are however quite concerned. I personally would avoid backscatter at ALL cost. Unfortunately, it is the prevailing machine in the US airports as the former DHS head is involved with one of the manufacturers.
MMW uses microwaves to build a nude picture. Considered safer than bksx, yet there are some health concerns as well. I would chose MMW over BKSX any day, yet I still consider opt-out to be the lesser evil. On minority of the airports.
BKSX usually looks like two large solid blocks facing each other with a gap in the middle. MMW usually looks more like a cabin or a tube to stand in.
What's the difference between the MMW and the BKSX? I had originally thought that the NoS's were an imaging machine that simply virtually stripped you. I didn't realize there were multiple kinds. And also, what does WTMD stand for?
Here is some information I put together, with images of what the three TSA-approved devices look like.
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