RGMD11

Here is a link to the Recaro CL6710 seat that will be fitted on the 14 x 330-900NEO's,which i believe are now delayed for delivery and now starting from 03/18

http://www.hmgaerospace.com/news/tap...lass-seat-itb/

The 7 x 330-200's that are being refitted will have the Thompson Vantage Seat (not the XL version though)

And of course the 2 x ex AD 330-200's have the Sogerma Solstys seats

TAP-A343

As if that was not enough, the ex-Azul A332s (CS-TOS, CS-TOT) have RR engines.

tff

That's it: CS-TOE to -TOK don't feature AVOD.

POA should continue to be served by the same subfleet.

As for the schedule, the A332s are being retrofitted at the same time as the A32X fleet, but the pace is fast. CS-TOR and -TOQ should be even faster, because only C/CL will be modified. For the long-haul fleet, the rule is 1 plane per month and it should be completed by December. CS-TOM in almost done and -TON entered the hangar last week.

In any case, I'd expect POA to be the last destination to be served by the retrofitted birds regularly.

criske

Thank you all for these informations!

Oliver2002, I had already seen that table about all TAP A330 fleet! Althought I am not familiar with aircraft terms (LOL), what I always knew is that the seven TAP A332 from CS-TOL to CS-TOR have GE engines, while the two "new" ones (from Azul) have RR engines and the other older seven (from CS-TOE to CS-TOK) have PW engines

Today I tried without success to find the old "news" back from 2011 about the beginning of LIS - POA - LIS flights, to prove to myself that once I had read or heard that POA (SBPA) could only be authorized to operate these flights if the A332 aircraft had the GE engines. I have no idea why this would be related to the airport short runway (only 2.280m), but I remember that this was much talked here in POA at that time, since the short runway limits the take-off weight and the companies profits (in fact, there are still much talk about this and if we should extend the runway or simply forgert SBPA and construct a new airport -- but I am totally sceptical with both solutions; the runway extension was promissed for decades and still never happened ....)

In any case, I am almost sure that TP117/118 are really served only by the A332 from CS-TOL to CS-TOR. These flights have not even the ANAC authorization for the alternate aircraft (all other TAP destinations in Brazil can have the A343 as alternate or even as the main bird).

tff,

I thought the pace for the retrofit was slower than really is. I imagined some two or three months of work for each aricraft. But at 1 plane per month, I think I have a very good chance to fly on the TAP retrofitted C cabin in my next travel to Europe, whichever the A332 they send to POA on the dates I will eventualy choose to book after October 2017. And depending on my work situation, perhaps I would get new vaccations only after December 20th, which means higher fares!

I am sure that my poor, small, southern city without appeal will be the last TAP destination to be served by the retrofitted planes! But until then, is just hard and mad work for me and no travel aboard at all!

EDITED: Now looking at Flight Radar data, I realized that CS-TOM is being retrofitted at TAP ME hangar hier in POA! Wow, I think the city should receive some credit for this! I mean, let this plane fly to/from here anytime soon!

oliver2002

Are you sure about that? TAP ME's website only shows A330 capabilities in GIG & LIS... Recaro shipping the seats to POA from their workshops in Europe or US should be also pretty complex...

https://www.tap-mro.com/Pages/About%...e-Centres.aspx

criske

I found this information on Flightradar24, which shows that CS-TOM has landed here on February 12th on a non regular flight, without returning to Lisbon.

There is also some talk about that in some TAP on-line fan forums (Portuguese only): https://aviação.pt/index.php?topic=3363.655;wap2 and https://aviação.pt/index.php?topic=3363.245;wap2

Basicaly it lists the retrofit schedule and says that CS-TOM is under retrofit at the TAP ME in POA until 20.03.2017. There are other discussions, of course, like the "seat colors" and the need or not for IFE in short and medium haul flights, IFE by streaming, etc ...

As far as I know, the TAP ME facility in POA has capacity to do A330 maintenance, at least technical maintenance, as it has already been done in recent years. This hangar was from the forever gone VARIG, remaining later with TAP and is said to be a center of "excellence". But of course that to bring all the new equipment needed for the retrofit seems weird...

This is the FB page of TAP ME POA, and it shows the CS-TOM entering in the little hangar in the cover (it seems original, but God only knows... I could go there to check it, it would only cost me a 30 min bus ride, but never mind! ): https://www.facebook.com/TAP-Mainten...03219/?fref=ts

tff

Some more news: TP will receive 3 A333s from SQ (9V-SVD, 9V-SVE, and 9V-SVG) between May and July.

It's far from being the last destination: all other Brazilian destinations except for GRU and GIG, as well as CCS, LAD, and MPM will still be served by older (and less comfortable) A332s. And Rio Grande do Sul is an awesome State in any case

CS-TOM is indeed being retrofitted in POA.

Hilmar Lehnert

We flew BOS_-> LIS in November. A330 with lie flats (not sure what brands). Will fly it again tonight (got lucky again). Seat 2K, lie flat. Tip: window seats are much better than isle seats. You still have isle access (since it's staggered) and a private little cubby. In the isle seats your extremities can easily hang out into the isles when sleeping and it's a lot less private

iluvdoco

It seems like the CS-TOL aircraft doesn't have a regular route?

From the link oliver2002 posted, it seems to jump around between JFK, NAT, GRU, and LIS.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/cs-tol

The new Recaro seats look nice, and unlike most other J products!

oliver2002

TP87 got some CS-TOL love....��

oliver2002

CS-TOL went to GRU last night! Why not today? I'm now certain to get the A343 :cry:

oliver2002

In the end I did LIS-GRU on CS-TOD and CNF-LIS on CS-TOJ. TOD was a trip back in time... the seat was really old, worn and really dirty. Thanks to being in row 1 I could adjust it a bit using the 'crew only' levers in the arm rest. TOJ was the familiar recaro 6510, with the pulleys conveniently located in the knee level, so making a completely flat bed was no problem at all. The cushions were completely worn out though.
One nice feature was no overhead bins in the middle, which made the cabin look more open.

FTstudent

Interesting. I booked LIS-MIA for the end of November solely because of their reasonably priced O/W TATL fares. At booking I saw that it was an A332 and had no idea about the retrofit. It's a day flight, so I wasn't too concerned about the angle flat. Based on this thread, it sounds like there's some chance I will get the new seat.

The seat map is showing the 2-2-2 config. Any advice on whether I should be checking the seat map on a regular basis for a change? Or does one only expect to see this only at check-in? I'm traveling with someone, so I will also be concerned with keep us next to each other.

rrgg

Are BOS-LIS flights basically guaranteed to have full flat non-angled seats? It seems like it but I didn't find a solid answer yet. Thank you.

Filler03

I know this is a Business thread, but I was hoping I could get some help/advice on Y.

My family and I are flying EWR-LIS in June. TAP website on my booking shows that it is a 330 with this seat map: https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/TA...us_A330_V2.php

Two questions: does this seat map correlate to TOL- TOR... and does anybody know if seats 30 D-G are truly "green" as it looks with extra legroom? When I tweeted TAP they stated that they were normal economy seats, but I don't know if they are just saying that because they are center seats and they don't see a more detailed map. Any insights?