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Old Jul 17, 2016, 6:46 am
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Post Why nobody builds commercial airships?

...or do they?

My point is, what happened to Hindenburg was certainly tragic. But it happened a long time ago. And modern airships don't use hydrogen anyway or anything combustible, well, other than fuel. Are they less safe than airplanes because of something else? Or is it just people in general being conservative and distrusting, which makes commercial airships cost-prohibitive?
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 6:58 am
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For passenger service, two main reasons would be speed and weather.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 7:39 am
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Nux said it. Airships are much slower and much more easily affected by weather. I've been in one recently and it's an awesome ride. There is a review in the trip reports sections of FT that documents a ride in I believe Switzerland. It's a great way to travel if you have the time, flexibility & money.

Helicopters are great too but they're pricy and highly affected by weather. I used miles years ago to book a helicopter flight from Manhattan to EWR during a really cheap promotion. The day came for my ride and because of high winds & low cloud cover they canceled and sent me a car service instead. I did fight and got most of my miles back too since 175$ service isn't quite comparable to a 60$ service.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 7:43 am
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There was just an interesting article on TechRadar about airships.

But airships are back. No longer a steampunk fantasy, there are advanced plans to fill the skies with helium-filled lighter-than-air machines for travel, cargo and even as emergency mobile phone masts.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 12:56 am
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Nux said it. Airships are much slower and much more easily affected by weather. I've been in one recently and it's an awesome ride.
Well, that makes sense. Although it seems to be more of a time-consuming flight than fuel-consuming, much unlike helicopters. It's expensive for those to even hover in the air I guess.
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Old Jul 19, 2016, 7:59 pm
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something i recalled >
http://www.seymourpowell.com/casestu...cruise-concept (concept)

interesting they also did >
http://www.seymourpowell.com/casestudy/first-spaces (concept)
http://www.seymourpowell.com/casestudy/bell-helicopter (client contract)

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Old Jul 19, 2016, 10:48 pm
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It's just a concept though, isn't it?
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Old Jul 25, 2016, 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Kupris
Well, that makes sense. Although it seems to be more of a time-consuming flight than fuel-consuming, much unlike helicopters. It's expensive for those to even hover in the air I guess.
Hovering is the most expensive part! Requires more power than forward flight.
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Old Jul 25, 2016, 10:30 pm
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Hovering is the most expensive part! Requires more power than forward flight.
Figures. Good to know, I think.
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Old Jul 25, 2016, 11:18 pm
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Another albeit small difference... Helium has less lifting power.
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Old Jul 25, 2016, 11:51 pm
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Another albeit small difference... Helium has less lifting power.
Compared to hydrogen?
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Old Jul 26, 2016, 12:17 am
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That is my understanding.

(I couldn't just say YES... messages that short aren't allowed! lol)
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Old Jul 26, 2016, 1:02 am
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Well, true, but helium isn't flammable. Which is a good thing.
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Old Jul 26, 2016, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by trooper
That is my understanding.

(I couldn't just say YES... messages that short aren't allowed! lol)
5 character minimum, so "yes.." (or "no...")
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Old Jul 26, 2016, 10:30 am
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Why would such a quota even exist?
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