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Old Nov 1, 2011, 5:18 am
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No more F on DUS-ORD and DUS-TORONTO?
I was told by a crew member that LH is planning to discontinue the F-Service on the above mentioned routes next year. She also told me, that they would not seat people (status pax) on the F seats, if the plane has a 3 class configuration. I hope she is wrong.
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Old Nov 1, 2011, 8:15 am
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I know that for YYZ this seasonal service has been extended for the winter schd, but with J and Y only. For summer 2012 it looks like F class is still available
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Old Nov 1, 2011, 9:13 am
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I am sure they will use the 8 F seats for J pax if they continue to use 3 class aircraft.
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Old Nov 1, 2011, 9:28 am
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I hope that this doesn't spread to the DUS-MIA flight. I have an award booked in F in March.
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Old Nov 1, 2011, 10:10 am
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Since both rotations can be done with one aircraft each they just need to put two of their C only 340's at DUS. That is most likely the reason why the flight goes from 333 to 343.

I read somewhere that LH is planning to retire some older 340s. Could these 330s be their replacement from FRA/MUC where they need F?
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Old Nov 1, 2011, 9:37 pm
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LH seems to be selling F on YYZ to FRA in Summer 2012 on a 346.

I thought YYZ-FRA was just J/Y but maybe this is new?
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Old Nov 2, 2011, 5:49 am
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Originally Posted by mars1982
LH seems to be selling F on YYZ to FRA in Summer 2012 on a 346.

I thought YYZ-FRA was just J/Y but maybe this is new?
As with some other Canadian destinations C/Y in the winter and F/C/Y in the summer timetables. YVR is the same for example.
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Old Nov 2, 2011, 9:41 pm
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It's more an aircraft capacity issue to/from Canada since LH sells so few F seats. It uses A346s during summer peak vacation period on some routes because these aircraft max out seating capacity, then revert to A343s and A333s with 2-cabins on which they can sell C to business travelers. I expect a 2-cabin A333 on my DUS-YYZ flight next week (though wouldn't object to a 3-cabin plane where elites can sit in F seats).
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Old Nov 3, 2011, 2:28 am
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
It's more an aircraft capacity issue to/from Canada since LH sells so few F seats. It uses A346s during summer peak vacation period on some routes because these aircraft max out seating capacity, then revert to A343s and A333s with 2-cabins on which they can sell C to business travelers. I expect a 2-cabin A333 on my DUS-YYZ flight next week (though wouldn't object to a 3-cabin plane where elites can sit in F seats).
My understanding is that the visiting european tourists in the summer season generate "F" paid business. Very few Canadian companies allow F travel to/from Europe however so there is not a lot of corporate demand.
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Old Nov 7, 2011, 1:57 pm
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LH 4731 YYZ - DUS No longer flying F?
I have a rewards ticket for Dec 15, and an Aeroplan rep. told me on the phone today that LH is no longer flying F on this route and I'd be put in Business instead. Is that accurate? He seemed a bit unsure.
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Old Nov 7, 2011, 3:15 pm
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Yes, Expertflyer shows no F class on your flight, but your plane is a 3-class config so you can assign your seat in the first two rows (first class seats but business class service)
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Old Nov 7, 2011, 8:31 pm
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This is the seat map - all F seats are currently open

[KVS Availability Tool 6.7.0/Diamond - Amadeus Seat Map: 15 Dec 2011/LH 473/YYZ-DUS/333/C-Business]
Code:
     A   C    |   D   G    |   H   K    
 1   +            +   +            +    
 2   +            +   +            +    
 3   +   +        +   +        -   +    
 4   +   +        -   -        +   +    
10   -   -        -   -        -   -    [W]
11   -   -        +   -        -   -    [W]
12   +   +        -   -        +   +    [W]
14   +   +        +   +        +   +    [W]

[+] Available     [W] Wing       [L] Lavatory  
[-] Unavailable   [E] Exit Row   [U] Upper Deck
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Old Nov 8, 2011, 2:59 am
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Will this change after the winter session?

I am scheduled to fly next July DUS - YYZ in F. Should I look at changing?

Originally Posted by Unterwegs
This is the seat map - all F seats are currently open

[KVS Availability Tool 6.7.0/Diamond - Amadeus Seat Map: 15 Dec 2011/LH 473/YYZ-DUS/333/C-Business]
Code:
     A   C    |   D   G    |   H   K    
 1   +            +   +            +    
 2   +            +   +            +    
 3   +   +        +   +        -   +    
 4   +   +        -   -        +   +    
10   -   -        -   -        -   -    [W]
11   -   -        +   -        -   -    [W]
12   +   +        -   -        +   +    [W]
14   +   +        +   +        +   +    [W]

[+] Available     [W] Wing       [L] Lavatory  
[-] Unavailable   [E] Exit Row   [U] Upper Deck
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Old Nov 9, 2011, 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by spideysense
I have a rewards ticket for Dec 15, and an Aeroplan rep. told me on the phone today that LH is no longer flying F on this route and I'd be put in Business instead. Is that accurate? He seemed a bit unsure.
It is true. I had the same flight on part of my award ticket. I realized it had been downgraded and called AP--at first they said it was a "minor" change, but F to J is not minor! Ended up changing it to a YUL-ZRH on F on LX.

If you call AP they should offer you alternatives, free of charge. They were willing to put send me through ORD en route to Germany, but I preferred to go via Zurich
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Old Nov 9, 2011, 8:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Unterwegs
This is the seat map - all F seats are currently open

[KVS Availability Tool 6.7.0/Diamond - Amadeus Seat Map: 15 Dec 2011/LH 473/YYZ-DUS/333/C-Business]
Code:
     A   C    |   D   G    |   H   K    
 1   +            +   +            +    
 2   +            +   +            +    
 3   +   +        +   +        -   +    
 4   +   +        -   -        +   +    
10   -   -        -   -        -   -    [W]
11   -   -        +   -        -   -    [W]
12   +   +        -   -        +   +    [W]
14   +   +        +   +        +   +    [W]

[+] Available     [W] Wing       [L] Lavatory  
[-] Unavailable   [E] Exit Row   [U] Upper Deck
F Class is sold as C.
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