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Old Nov 11, 2009, 4:26 am
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Red face DEL-MOW IATA YIF discounted (?) fare, help needed

I am trying to get the best value for DEL-MOW-DEL one year ticket with free changes which books into higher economy classes and found this IATA YIF fare.

The base fare is about ~USD650 [$900 ai, books into S on SU], it applies only to direct travel or for connecting travel within South Asia, Central Asia and western part of Russia [any attempts to fly out of this region increase the fare by about USD2,500].

It is quite a good deal given the fact that SU (only operator of direct flights) unrestricted coach fare (SNRT) is ~USD1,300 (base fare)! Due to the above restrictions I was only able to make it work with SU, AI and, strangely, KC (via ALA or ALA and other cities in Kazakhstan).

I however have certain questions I cannot resolve by myself and would appreciate if anyone here can help me:

1) on ITA it is only possible to price the trip in the above way in case a specific fare is specified [/f ..yif-]. It does not show up in usual search. Should this indicate any eligibility problems (below)?

2) Text rule in KVS (TVN method) says this is a "Greek seaman fare" which is strangely also available for groups of no more than 5 people (not sure if the group should be Greek seamans). I cannot understand If a regular person (or say a group of 2) is eligible.

3) Routing rules in KVS are not available (a screen for another YIF fare level shows up). Same is true for fare quote in INR from KVS.

I don't want to go to a ticket agent first because I feel like this fare (if it is bookable) was not withdrawn from 2007 when SU has significantly increased the prices for travel from India and tightened the restrictions [for example, two years ago I bought SU fully unrestricted BOM-MOW-AMS-MOW-BOM for USD1,000 with stopovers in MOW/ S-class]. And because the change of IATA fares requires certain procedures to be followed to be changed someone may have forgotten to do this.

And of course this is a fare for "good deals between city pairs in economy" in MR forum if it works, I just did not want to post such a long message there.

Any help would be appreciated! And sorry for such a long message
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by Keter
1) on ITA it is only possible to price the trip in the above way in case a specific fare is specified [/f ..yif-]. It does not show up in usual search. Should this indicate any eligibility problems (below)?
No, it's just an issue with the ITA.

Originally Posted by Keter
2) Text rule in KVS (TVN method) says this is a "Greek seaman fare" which is strangely also available for groups of no more than 5 people (not sure if the group should be Greek seamans). I cannot understand If a regular person (or say a group of 2) is eligible.
No, the TA will receive a debit memo if they get audited and no seaman-specific documentation was attached to the auditor coupon of the ticket.

Originally Posted by Keter
3) Routing rules in KVS are not available (a screen for another YIF fare level shows up). Same is true for fare quote in INR from KVS.
There are currently 2 YIF fares.

[KVS Availability Tool 5.1.2/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/TVN/CA]
Code:
DEL  Delhi Indira Gandhi Int'l IN [VIDP]
MOW  Moscow Metro RU = SVO DME VKO BKA
R/T  Nov-Oct

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur   AdvanceP  Min  Max  Fare Basis/TD | Travel Period
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  ---  -----------------------------
YY         DEL     MOW       917   USD        ***            YIF
YY         DEL     MOW      3520   USD        ***            YIF
YY         DEL     MOW      6182   USD        ***            CIF
YY         DEL     MOW      6718   USD        ***            FIF
Also note that the seaman fare is restricted to specific carriers (and SU is not in the list):

[KVS Availability Tool 5.1.2/Diamond - TVN: DEL-MOW/YY/YIF/917 USD]
Code:
ECONOMY PROMOTIONAL

[RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS]
SEAMAN FARE - GREECE  -  GOVERNMENT ORDERS  - TO/FROM GREECE APPLICATION
CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES
OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES
GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP JOURNEYS.
OTHER CONDITIONS FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE.
EXCEPTION - MAY BE USED FOR ENROUTE UPGRADING FROM A LOWER FARE
PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THESE FARES ARE MET. PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT
PERMITTED. - FOR SECTORS NOT FLOWN ON A PARTICIPATING CARRIER ASSESS
FULL APPLICABLE FARE WITHOUT THE REDUCTION.

[ELIGIBILITY]
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SEAMAN OF THE GREEK MERECHANT
MARINE AND ACCOMPANYING SPOUSE / SEAMAN OF GREEK NATIONALITY
AND ACCOMPANYING SPOUSE. THE SEAMAN CONCERNED MUST EITHER BE TRAVELLING
TO REPORT FOR DUTY ON A SHIP OR BE REPATRIATED FROM THEIR SHIP. -
DOCUMENTATION - THE SHIPPING COMPANY OR ITS AGENT MUST SUBMIT A WRITTEN
STATEMENT CERTIFYING THAT THE SEAMAN IS TRAVELLING TO MAN A SHIP
OR IS BEING REPATRIATED. ATTACH STATEMENT TO AUDIT COUPON OF TICKET.

[DAY/TIME]
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[SEASONALITY]
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[FLIGHT APPLICATION]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY BA FLIGHT
ANY CX FLIGHT ANY CI FLIGHT ANY EK FLIGHT ANY KE FLIGHT ANY KM FLIGHT
ANY LG FLIGHT ANY LO FLIGHT ANY NE FLIGHT ANY PR FLIGHT ANY RO FLIGHT
ANY SQ FLIGHT ANY TP FLIGHT. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR
AUTOPRICING. AND CORRESPONDING NATIONAL CARRIERS OF THE COUNTRIES SERVED
BY OA.

[ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING]
NO ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[MINIMUM STAY]
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[MAXIMUM STAY]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER
DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

[STOPOVERS]
STOPOVERS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT INTERMEDIATE POINTS.

[TRANSFERS]
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED. - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SECTORS
PERMITTED EXCEPT FOR PRICING UNITS WITHIN/BETWEEN US AND CANADA
- INCLUDING PR/USV1 - SURFACE AT FARE BREAK IS NOT PERMITTED.

[COMBINATIONS]
OPEN JAW/ROUND TRIP/CIRCLE TRIP AND END-ON-END COMBINATIONS ARE NOT PERMITTED.
MIRROR IMAGE COMBINATIONS ARE PERMITTED.

[BLACKOUT DATES]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

[SURCHARGES]
NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
NO SALES RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[PENALTIES]
NO PENALTIES APPLY.

[HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS]
NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.

[TICKET ENDORSEMENTS]
TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED.

[CHILDREN DISCOUNTS]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET
DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS
BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11
- CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT
PERCENT. OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND DISCOUNT PERCENT. MUST
BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY AT LEAST 1 BUT NO MORE THAN 1 ADULT
PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE
75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - NOTE
- TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. UNACCOMPANIED INFANT
NOT PERMITTED. EXCEPTION - UNACCOMPANIED INFANTS MAY BE ACCEPTED FOR
TRANSPORTATION PROVIDED PRIOR ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE TRANSPORTING
CARRIER OR CARRIERS. THE CHARGE SHALL BE BE 100 PERCENT OF
THE APPLICABLE ADULT FARE.

[TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.

[AGENT DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.

[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.

[MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.

[FARE BY RULE]
THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - VALID FOR OTHER GROUPS OF
5 PASSENGERS MAXIMUM. VALID FOR SEAMAN GOVERNMENT ORDER GREECE PSGR.
ID REQUIRED AT TICKETING. THE FARE WAS CALCULATED AS 55 PERCENT OF THE
ROUND-TRIP YIF FARE.  NO HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT CHECK IS APPLIED
TO THIS FARE.  APPLY FARE BY RULE RULES TO THIS FARE FOR CATEGORIES:
50-RULE APPL        01-ELIGIBILITY      04-FLIGHT APPL 07-MAX STAY
        08-STOPOVERS        09-TRANSFERS 10-COMBINATIONS     11-BLACKOUTS
       12-SURCHARGES 13-ACCOMP TRAVEL    14-TRAVEL RESTR     15-SALES
RESTR 16-PENALTIES        18-TICKET ENDO      19-CHILDREN DISC
20-TOUR COND DISC   21-AGENT DISC       22-ALL OTHER DISC 23-MISC PROVISIONS
 26-GROUPS           27-TOURS 28-VISIT A COUNTRY  29-DEPOSITS
        35-NEGOTIATED FARES  APPLY BASE FARE RULES TO THIS FARE FOR
CATEGORIES: 02-DAY/TIME         03-SEASONS          05-ADV RES/TKTG 06-MIN
STAY

[GROUPS]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.

[TOURS]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.

[VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.

[DEPOSITS]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.

[VOLUNTARY CHANGES]
NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND.

[NEGOTIATED FARES]
NOT APPLICABLE. IC.INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
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Old Nov 11, 2009, 11:23 am
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Thanks lot, but I think I will have to ask for a TA unless someone can help me to resolve the remaining questions:

1) there are no routing rules available for this fare in KVS (the routing shown is for travel via EH [presumably higher level of YIF], while the fare I need is for travel via FE);

2) text rules for both fares (at least on my computer) indicate that both fares are "Greek seaman.../ Government orders"; unlikely to be true as Russia/ Ukraine has nothing to do with Greece and that would mean there is no "general" IATA fare between from DEL to MOW;

3) "fare by rule" in both cases indicate that both fares are 55% discount from the the full fare [we see, however, only two YIF fares]; does not seem to be true as well;

4) As for the flight application (if the fare rules relate in fact to this fare) it also include the "corresponding national carries of countries served by OA", this is possibly where SU, AI and KC come from. Update It is definitely the rules of another fare as this option is not validated for autopricing.

5) I could not find a website to book this,

6) And there is manual feature (in "fare by rule" section) which allows to waive HIP check [there is a good level fare of a kind to IEV via MOW to enjoy S booking class of SU].

Regards

Last edited by Keter; Nov 11, 2009 at 1:06 pm Reason: Update
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Old Dec 5, 2009, 7:25 am
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This is what in fact different fare levels ususally stand for. This is taken from ... Expedia.

From: Hong Kong, Hong Kong (HKG-Hong Kong Intl.)
To: Moscow, Russia (DME-Domodedovo Intl.)
Fare Basis Code: YIF

HKG-MOW CXR-LX WED 24MAR10 USD
THE FOLLOWING CARRIERS ALSO PUBLISH FARES HKG-MOW:
9W AF AY AZ BA BR CA CI CX CZ EK EY HU IT JL KE KL LH LO LY MH
MU NH NW NZ OS OU OZ PK QF QR RJ SA SK SQ SU TG TK UA UN VN VS
YY
ADDITIONAL CARRIERS PARTICIPATE IN YY FARES
//SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
HKD CONVERTED TO USD USING BSR 1 USD - 7.7498 HKD

*** LX DOES NOT PUBLISH REQUESTED FARES HKG-MOW ***
*** BELOW ARE YY REQUESTED FARES HKG-MOW VALID ON LX ***

YY HKGMOW.FE 24MAR10 MPM 5312
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 . YIF B R 3311.00 ---- - -/ - FE01
2 . YIF B O 2320.00 ---- - -/ - FE01

YY HKGMOW.RU 24MAR10 MPM 7784
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
3 . YIF B R 5116.00 ---- - -/ - RU01
4 . YIF B O 3583.00 ---- - -/ - RU01

YY HKGMOW.EH 24MAR10 MPM 8025
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
5 . YIF B R 4247.00 ---- - -/ - EH01
6 . YIF B O 2974.00 ---- - -/ - EH01

YY HKGMOW.TS 24MAR10 MPM 7784
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
7 . YIF B R 5116.00 ---- - -/ - TS01
8 . YIF B O 3583.00 ---- - -/ - TS01

EH01* /WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/ PUBLISHED MPM 8025
FE01* /NONSTOP BTWN RU OR UA AND AREA 3/ PUBLISHED MPM 5312
RU01* /NONSTOP BTWN RU AND JP OR KR/ PUBLISHED MPM 7784
TS01* /BETWEEN AREAS 2 AND 3 VIA SIBERIA WITH NONSTOP BETWEEN
EUROPE AND JAPAN OR KOREA/ PUBLISHED MPM 7784
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