False Rumor: Marriott Rewards Insiders Speculating About Changes Coming
#16
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Call me crazy but....
I'm guessing that they're leaking the things above (universally pretty horrible, right?) so that when they announce a pretty bad devaluation, it ends up seeming not so bad. Marriott gets a big devaluation and guests are conned into believing it all could have been worse.
Maybe I just need a tin foil hat.
I'm guessing that they're leaking the things above (universally pretty horrible, right?) so that when they announce a pretty bad devaluation, it ends up seeming not so bad. Marriott gets a big devaluation and guests are conned into believing it all could have been worse.
Maybe I just need a tin foil hat.
Cheers.
#17
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Not letting Platinums in unless they have a room on the Concierge Floor would be devastating. I would say about 75% of the times I stay somewhere there is no room on the CL floor at check in.
What would be the remaining benefits for a platinum?
I completely see this making sense for Golds especially now there are thousands of newly minted ones via United.
What would be the remaining benefits for a platinum?
I completely see this making sense for Golds especially now there are thousands of newly minted ones via United.
#18
Join Date: Apr 2001
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Yeah, the new policy would require MORE work for the front desk, restaurant and IT, reprogramming who's keys work where and so on. I've been in my share of crowded lounges, but you'd just be moving people from the lounge to the restaurant.
This would cause a lot more arguments with the front desk and over the phone about getting charged for breakfast when you shouldn't be and not getting points when you should. Although maybe that's the point, if they make more money off the X% who don't bother complaining than they lose from (100-X)% who do.
This would cause a lot more arguments with the front desk and over the phone about getting charged for breakfast when you shouldn't be and not getting points when you should. Although maybe that's the point, if they make more money off the X% who don't bother complaining than they lose from (100-X)% who do.
#19
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I'm not going to get too worked up over "I read a post from an anonymous person on another forum that said they talked to some unnamed person of unknown origin who claims that there may be changes being discussed....and I'm not sure how much was just speculation"
Last edited by CPRich; Mar 14, 2014 at 12:47 pm
#20
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Call me crazy but....
I'm guessing that they're leaking the things above (universally pretty horrible, right?) so that when they announce a pretty bad devaluation, it ends up seeming not so bad. Marriott gets a big devaluation and guests are conned into believing it all could have been worse.
Maybe I just need a tin foil hat.
I'm guessing that they're leaking the things above (universally pretty horrible, right?) so that when they announce a pretty bad devaluation, it ends up seeming not so bad. Marriott gets a big devaluation and guests are conned into believing it all could have been worse.
Maybe I just need a tin foil hat.
#21
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While I've had a few issues over the last decade w Marriott, I'm a fan. But yeah, if you happen to work for your Gold status (actually sleeping 35 -50 nights depending on whether you have the cc) - why would you even consider sticking around?
And if they get rid of 5th night free on top of devaluing the rates, ANYONE who sticks around needs to have a mental evaluation. There are valid options people.
And if they get rid of 5th night free on top of devaluing the rates, ANYONE who sticks around needs to have a mental evaluation. There are valid options people.
#22
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I think most of that is hog wash. Like this one:
However, Concierge lounge access will be eliminated for Golds and Plats unless upgraded to the concierge level rooms. (Gold and Plats will continue to receive free continental breakfast in the restaurant or points.)
Makes no sense. If you eliminated CL access accept for PP's there would be two people there some nights; one PP and one employee. I don't see that happening.
The CL will remain a "country club" for the common person who thinks he's accomplished something by staying a bunch of nights in a hotel. That ain't going away.
However, Concierge lounge access will be eliminated for Golds and Plats unless upgraded to the concierge level rooms. (Gold and Plats will continue to receive free continental breakfast in the restaurant or points.)
Makes no sense. If you eliminated CL access accept for PP's there would be two people there some nights; one PP and one employee. I don't see that happening.
The CL will remain a "country club" for the common person who thinks he's accomplished something by staying a bunch of nights in a hotel. That ain't going away.
#23
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At 75 nights, MT PLT is already the hardest top tier to achieve. It's hard to fathom they would take away lounge access from 75 night members, when you get it at 60 with Hilton, and 50 with Hyatt & Starwood.
#24
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Agreed. (Currently Hyatt DIA, SPG Lifetime Plat, IHG Plat and MR Gold). Bang for your buck, MR is the longest road to get there)
This is where I think they're going to try to con us (if any if this is true). Put it out there that they're going to strip Plats and Golds of a bunch of benefits and then only stick it to the Golds. Leaving bloggers and others to breathe a sigh of relief when actually what they've done is taken the Golds out back and beaten them to a pulp.
I know there aren't stats available but there has to be twice as many Golds (if not many more) than Plats. They end up achieving a massive kneecapping of a huge number of elites while it's perceived as reasonable because Plats were protected.
(Been Plat or Gold for the last ten years)
This is where I think they're going to try to con us (if any if this is true). Put it out there that they're going to strip Plats and Golds of a bunch of benefits and then only stick it to the Golds. Leaving bloggers and others to breathe a sigh of relief when actually what they've done is taken the Golds out back and beaten them to a pulp.
I know there aren't stats available but there has to be twice as many Golds (if not many more) than Plats. They end up achieving a massive kneecapping of a huge number of elites while it's perceived as reasonable because Plats were protected.
(Been Plat or Gold for the last ten years)
#25
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That would actually be kind of funny. But the rumor is no c/l access unless you are on the floor, so there would be more than that.
#26
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I stood by MR taking 2-3x more points for mediocre hotels, but I'm not going to bend over backwards to go to a hotel chain when I can choose the cheaper best-reviewed instead. If they really view Gold as worthless because they chose to let the lowest tier of the crappiest airline have Gold, I guess they don't care about all the people who actually stayed those nights
On the other hand, rumors are pointless, but I think its worthwhile to say something if Marriott is actually pondering this.
On the other hand, rumors are pointless, but I think its worthwhile to say something if Marriott is actually pondering this.
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#28
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I'm certain they're thinking something has to be done given the way they've been minting Golds and PLT's these past years. They've already cutback the quality and quantity in the lounge steadily since 2008 IMO and the properties are likely on the edge of revolt right now.
Since they aren't afraid to completely fracture the benefits into splinters dependent on level, type of property, day of the week, etc, I could see them only giving lounge access to those upgraded to the top or PLT or PP. Still would be ton of eligibles...
(not that I agree with it...)
Since they aren't afraid to completely fracture the benefits into splinters dependent on level, type of property, day of the week, etc, I could see them only giving lounge access to those upgraded to the top or PLT or PP. Still would be ton of eligibles...
(not that I agree with it...)
#29
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And I'm one of the "almost Golds" they are actively pursuing right now (Taste of Gold offer). I'm not spending a dime more than what I would already be spending this year, will take advantage of the bump for the next few months, and will organically reach it by the end of the year. And not for nothing...there are several Marriott properties that I *want* to stay at this year, so I'd be staying there no matter what I was offered or got.
We don't travel enough (leisure only) to ever make high status with any program, so I just earn and burn points with a few.
We don't travel enough (leisure only) to ever make high status with any program, so I just earn and burn points with a few.
#30
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I'm working to become MR Gold for the first time this year. I'm not tied to the program. If the Gold hits happen it won't bother me to switch programs.