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Old Jan 17, 2017, 12:38 pm
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Could be a major win for the Etihad Airways Partners Alliance as well ;-)
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Old Jan 17, 2017, 1:27 pm
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A full-blown merger would be political dynamite in Germany and is in light of that extremely far-fetched. A notable Etihad investment in LH Group however (i.e. owning 10% or something) would be in line with ME investment strategies in German businesses and is certainly believable.
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Old Jan 18, 2017, 1:09 am
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"Lufthansa [ETR:LHA] has denied the possibility of a merger with Etihad, the UAE-based airline, Italian-language daily Milano Finanza reported. The report cited a source close to Lufthansa as saying that no discussions were taking place over the matter. As previously reported, Etihad would first take a 30%-40% stake in the German carrier before moving on to a complete Merger. As previously reported, the merged entity would have revenues of close to EUR 40bn based on 2015 results."

Source: mergermarket, 18 January 2017
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Old Jan 18, 2017, 1:19 am
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Define raising prices like hell.... from hamburg to prague on 19 euros and from frankfurt to milan for 30 seems totally reasonable.

the matter is that LH like most big german companies are used to getting their way and making the customer pay for it. now that they see competition and that their "loyal" customers are fleeing they cry foul.

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Flixbus bought all the competitors and has a 80% market share and is now raising prices like hell.
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Old Jan 18, 2017, 3:03 am
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Originally Posted by gru_muc
"Lufthansa [ETR:LHA] has denied the possibility of a merger with Etihad, the UAE-based airline, Italian-language daily Milano Finanza reported. [...]
Source: mergermarket, 18 January 2017
Wirtschaftswoche also did some research and asked some sources who all say its either not possible to merge technically nor feasible from a number of practical political aspects (UA and TG/SQs opinions, EU politics etc)

http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/diens.../19266002.html


Originally Posted by kbrauneis
Define raising prices like hell.... from hamburg to prague on 19 euros and from frankfurt to milan for 30 seems totally reasonable.
Average prices went up 40% (3.8->5.33€/100KM) since 2014. After Flixbus merged with Megabus and Postbus they have a market share of 80+% and can charge whatever they want as long as its cheaper than air or rail travel. You are quoting select fares, just like you can find 129€ airfares or 29€ rail fares.

http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/un...d_5946669.html
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Old Jan 30, 2017, 1:49 am
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Big EY-LH press event in AUH with Spohr and Hogan on Wednesday. It seems LH will take over (co-operate) EYs MRO and catering.

In other news, Zypries is taking over the BMWi this week.
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Old Jan 30, 2017, 5:47 am
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MRO = Maintenance, Repair and Operations?

If so, then I would understand M and R. But O?
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Old Jan 30, 2017, 5:49 am
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Maintenance and Repair Operations, as in Operations of Maintenance and Repair (I'm guessing).
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Old Jan 30, 2017, 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by Scrooge McDuck
MRO = Maintenance, Repair and Operations?

If so, then I would understand M and R. But O?
maintenance, repair and overhaul
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Old Jan 30, 2017, 6:02 am
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Thanks. Makes more sense.
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Old Jan 31, 2017, 2:38 pm
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Yesterday approval of the LH/AB deal by the anti-trust authorities had some juicy detail: LH is buying 10 of the 38 AB A320 from the lessors, and renegotiated the lease of 15. Curious if some of these include the 12 A320 that came from AZ. EY gave AZ 9 777s in return from AZ giving AB the A320. now that AZ needs cash, that would be a welcome help. Curious if the 'co-operation' with EY Engg and catering cover some financial transaction.

Seriously doubt the *A talk some bloggers are floating though. Any traffic rights handout to the UAE will face severe opposition as EK stands to profit. Especially the N. American and S.E. Asian partners will most certainly object.
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Old Feb 1, 2017, 3:11 am
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Press conference ongoing, LH/EY will codeshare FRA/MUC-AUH flights, EY moves to LH terminals in FRA/MUC.

Curious what they will do with their lounge in FRA T2.


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Old Feb 1, 2017, 3:14 am
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As expected:

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Old Feb 1, 2017, 3:21 am
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Deutsche Lufthansa AG and E
tihad Airways PJSC announced plans to establish a “new commercial partnership” with deals covering in-flight catering and aircraft maintenance.The long-time adversaries have concluded a $100 million agreement in global catering and signed a memorandum of understanding for cooperation in plane repair and overhaul, they said Wednesday at a press conference in Abu Dhabi.
The agreements, which build on recent announcements regarding joint ticket sales and aircraft leasing, come as Etihad grapples with losses from minority investments and Germany’s Lufthansa struggles to cut costs and add low-cost flights amid opposition from trade unions.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ntenance-pacts
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Old Feb 3, 2017, 8:42 am
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The LH codeshares operated by EY from FRA/MUC to AUH have now appeared in the gds. Sadly no real usuable fare show up (yet):

Code:
>tnfraauh/alh
TNFRAAUH/ALH                                                                    
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** AUH ABU DHABI.AE                  03FEB17 10FEB17  
 1EY:LH9654  345  FRA 2 AUH 3  1045    2025   0 08FEB17 24MAR17 332  6:40       
 2EY:LH9656  35   FRA 2 AUH 3  2100    0640+1 0 08FEB17 15FEB17 333  6:40       
 3EY:LH9656  4    FRA 2 AUH 3  2100    0640+1 0 09FEB17 09FEB17 332  6:40       
 4   LH 096  35   FRA 1 MUC 2  0815    0915   0 CONNECT MUC     320             
  EY:LH9659  35   MUC 1 AUH 3  1035    1950   0 08FEB17 10FEB17 346  8:35       

>dolh9656/09feb
DOLH9656/09FEB                                                                  
*1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO*              LH9656    6 TH 09FEB17                    
APT ARR   DY DEP   DY CLASS/MEAL          EQP  GRND  EFT   TTL                  
FRA          2100  TH JCDZPYBMUHQ/R       332         6:40                      
                      VWSTLK/R                                                  
AUH 0640  FR                                                6:40                
                                                                                
COMMENTS-                                                                       
 1.FRA AUH   - COMMERCIAL DUPLICATE - OPERATED BY                               
               ETIHAD AIRWAYS                                                   
 2.FRA AUH   - AIRCRAFT OWNER ETIHAD AIRWAYS                                    
 3.FRA AUH   - OPERATIONAL LEG EY 0008                                          
 4.FRA AUH   - DEPARTS TERMINAL 2                                               
 5.FRA AUH   - ARRIVES TERMINAL 3                                               
 6.FRA AUH   -   9/ NON-SMOKING                                                 
 7.FRA AUH   -  ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE                                    
 8.FRA AUH   - PLS SEE GGAIRLH CODESHARE                                        
 9.FRA AUH   - J22Y240                                                          
10.FRA AUH   -  CO2/PAX* 301.44 KG ECO, 602.88 KG PRE                           
 (*):SOURCE:ICAO CARBON EMISSIONS CALCULATOR                                    
                                                                                
CONFIGURATION-                                                                  
               332  C  22   M 240                                               
>ad09febfraauh
AD09FEBFRAAUH                                                                   
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** AUH ABU DHABI.AE               6 TH 09FEB 0000  
 1   EY 002  J4 C4 D3 W3 Z2 Y7 B7 /FRA 2 AUH 3  1045    2025  E0/332       6:40
             H7 K7 M7 Q7 L7 V7 U5 E2 T0                                         
 2EY:LH9654  J2 C2 DL ZL P2 Y4 B4 /FRA 2 AUH 3  1045    2025  E0/332       6:40
             M4 U4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 T4 LL KL                                      
[...]
09FEB17**09FEB17/LH FRAAUH/NSP;EH/TPM  3014/MPM  3932                           
**STAR ALLIANCE CONVENTIONS PLUS ON GGAIRLHCONVENTIONS **                       
*** FOR STAR ALLIANCE RTW * SEE FQD XYZXYZ EG FRAFRA ***                        
                                                                                
LN FARE BASIS    OW   EUR  RT   B PEN  DATES/DAYS   AP MIN MAX R                
01+F77OW         5324           F  -     -     -     -  -   -  M                
02+F77RT                   7609 F  -     -     -     -  -  12M M                
03+J77OW         3771           J  -     -     -     -  -   -  M                
04+G77OW         2697           G  -     -     -     -  -   -  M                
05+Y77OW         2697           Y  -     -     -     -  -   -  M                
06+J77RT                   5389 J  -     -     -     -  -  12M M                
07+G77RT                   3849 G  -     -     -     -  -  12M M                
08+Y77RT                   3849 Y  -     -     -     -  -  12M M                
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