OT: KLM to order A330-300?
Oct 12, 2010, 10:41 am
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There are 10 MD-11's. Considering lower maintance on brandnew A330's the 9 aircraft rumor is actually plausible. But I also think that KLM does not want to continue with the 4 ancient 767's from MP because it would add to the maintance bill and complicate the fleet compatibillity for operations...
Oct 12, 2010, 11:23 am
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I think this order will be to refresh the KL fleet, and they decide later for the MP routes. As this order is on such a short notice.
Oct 12, 2010, 11:53 am
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The 767 are indeed being fased out. It can handle 274 pax, I'm curious how many pax the A333 will be equipped for. Will they put the WBC seats in it? Would be logical if they replace the MD-11 with them.
I think this order will be to refresh the KL fleet, and they decide later for the MP routes. As this order is on such a short notice.
I think this order will be to refresh the KL fleet, and they decide later for the MP routes. As this order is on such a short notice.
Besides that, the MP 767's have "comfort class" at 32-33 inch pitch and "economy class" at 30 inch pitch.
KLM's pitch on the A332 is 32 inch in Y.
If some of the frames are a replacement for the oldest MD-11's and the MP routes, I am guessing they will install about 30 J class seats, some Eco Comfort and the rest Y class with 31 to 32 inch pitch in Y.
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Oct 12, 2010, 12:16 pm
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I doubt that KLM will configure their A333's specifically for the MP routes.
Besides that, the MP 767's have "comfort class" at 32 inch pitch and "economy class" at 30 inch pitch.
KLM's pitch on the A332 is 32 inch in Y.
If some of the frames are a replacement for the oldest MD-11's and the MP routes, I am guessing they will install about 30 J class seats, some Eco Comfort and the rest Y class with 31 to 32 inch pitch in Y.
Besides that, the MP 767's have "comfort class" at 32 inch pitch and "economy class" at 30 inch pitch.
KLM's pitch on the A332 is 32 inch in Y.
If some of the frames are a replacement for the oldest MD-11's and the MP routes, I am guessing they will install about 30 J class seats, some Eco Comfort and the rest Y class with 31 to 32 inch pitch in Y.
Oct 12, 2010, 1:04 pm
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I did not think Martinair was that cheap to be honest. I was looking at flights to Florida, and if I am not mistaken, cheapest tickets were around €590, which was comparable to KLM + Delta flights connecting in the States. I know my research was not that comprehensive, so if others have any other experiences please tell me.
Oct 13, 2010, 5:08 am
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No such orders have been placed yet. There are usually several years between placing the order and the actual delivery, so I don't think so. I don't know if it makes sense for KL to acquire more 747s... with the 777s in the fleet, they seem to be doing pretty well. If anything I would expect more 777s and A330s.
Oct 14, 2010, 3:01 am
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Perhaps they are considering a similar concept as AF's COI? Only 2 rows of C and less leg space in Y than on regular AF planes.
Oct 15, 2010, 8:54 am
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Yeah, but hopefully still be an all-frill airline on that routes. Otherwise they will get a bit of a "LCC" status on some routes. They have to plan there a/c schedule correct if there is really a difference in service/comfort on "full" KL flights and continued holiday flights, so that people who pay for the regular flights aren't affected with an a/c swap which results in less legroom (which is almost unhuman with the already tight pitch in Y).
Mar 31, 2011, 7:10 am
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According to a message on the KLM facebook page the Martinair aircraft will be returned to the lease company.
Except for Havana are there any other routes planned to be taken over by KLM?
Except for Havana are there any other routes planned to be taken over by KLM?