Is Emirates truly gay friendly to passengers?
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Good point ... I fear that they actually do these things.
This is why studies ordered by government agency A always show that the policies of agency A did work, irrespective of how they impact peoples' lives and how they are perceived.
This is why studies ordered by government agency A always show that the policies of agency A did work, irrespective of how they impact peoples' lives and how they are perceived.
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But that isn't the issue. Airlines seem more worried about requirements than the actual immigration officers. Like how in LA they wanted me to show an onward ticket from Tokyo. They never check in Tokyo. Same with flying to SIN (they could care less). Or, practically anywhere else, I feel.
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The requirements in SA are actually not as strictly enforced as people make out. Much uproar has cause them to loosen the rules though official airline statements still quote the strict interpretation. The rule of thumb by immigration in SA is professional that you have legal authority over the child. They can be flexible on the documents used to do this. Unfortunately airlines can't gamble on whether or not immigration will let a pax in so...
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It doesn't even make sense. What if they were going to leave by land or ship?
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Do you have any evidence of that? Are you saying if someone overstays and the airline verified their onward ticket they are off the hook? If someone overstays and the airline didn't verify their onward ticket they are liable?
It doesn't even make sense. What if they were going to leave by land or ship?
It doesn't even make sense. What if they were going to leave by land or ship?
It's a legal requirement to have proof of onward travel (regardless of method of transit) for most countries.
Once the airline has gotten information from the passenger they've done their due diligence and are off the hook for penalties. Why do you think they ask for the information? It's not just to be nosy.
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As long as they got some type of information from the passenger of when they plan on leaving they're off the hook. It doesn't matter how they leave, just that they've shown they have plans to leave.
It's a legal requirement to have proof of onward travel (regardless of method of transit) for most countries.
Once the airline has gotten information from the passenger they've done their due diligence and are off the hook for penalties. Why do you think they ask for the information? It's not just to be nosy.
It's a legal requirement to have proof of onward travel (regardless of method of transit) for most countries.
Once the airline has gotten information from the passenger they've done their due diligence and are off the hook for penalties. Why do you think they ask for the information? It's not just to be nosy.
Can you point me to info on which airlines have been fined and by which countries? I can't find anything in a quick google search.
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However it is a fact that airlines that carry passengers to a country who are subsequently denied entry because of improper documentation are levied charges by that country and sometimes charged removal costs.
Airlines must check pax requirements against Timatic before allowing travel.
FR recently won a case against unjust fines in the UK where the UK authorities fined FR for failing to spot professional forgeries of Greek passports that even their own immigration officers failed to detect were fake at the border, but were subsequently discovered by specialist teams.
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...gal-immigrants
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flyerCO above seemed to indicate that when someone was caught later (in his/her example for overstay) then the airline was still liable. That would be a new one on me.
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Normally most have a RT ticket which serves this purpose.
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The way I understand it is that if detected at immigration, then yes the airline pays for the return and may be fined. If caught later (they may have been in the country for weeks or months) then the airline is off the hook.
flyerCO above seemed to indicate that when someone was caught later (in his/her example for overstay) then the airline was still liable. That would be a new one on me.
flyerCO above seemed to indicate that when someone was caught later (in his/her example for overstay) then the airline was still liable. That would be a new one on me.
Basically in the case above all required information was obtained. However if airline doesn't obtain proof of onward travel then they've not ensured the person is complying with requirements for admission. Thus the airline can be sued for flying someone without ensuring they met all requirements.
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That kind of information is generally kept confidential by airlines - more transparent governments may release data but it's unlikely.
However it is a fact that airlines that carry passengers to a country who are subsequently denied entry because of improper documentation are levied charges by that country and sometimes charged removal costs.
Airlines must check pax requirements against Timatic before allowing travel.
FR recently won a case against unjust fines in the UK where the UK authorities fined FR for failing to spot professional forgeries of Greek passports that even their own immigration officers failed to detect were fake at the border, but were subsequently discovered by specialist teams.
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...gal-immigrants
However it is a fact that airlines that carry passengers to a country who are subsequently denied entry because of improper documentation are levied charges by that country and sometimes charged removal costs.
Airlines must check pax requirements against Timatic before allowing travel.
FR recently won a case against unjust fines in the UK where the UK authorities fined FR for failing to spot professional forgeries of Greek passports that even their own immigration officers failed to detect were fake at the border, but were subsequently discovered by specialist teams.
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...gal-immigrants
How are airline employees supposed to "check" validity of documentation? They aren't trained for that. And I don't think that is their job. It is the job of immigration, which apparently cannot spot forgeries in the UK either.
Classic example of government trying to make others do its work (and not paying them for it).
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This seems to be ridiculous. Since when are airlines "enforcement"? I'm glad the judge ruled against the UK Government.
How are airline employees supposed to "check" validity of documentation? They aren't trained for that. And I don't think that is their job. It is the job of immigration, which apparently cannot spot forgeries in the UK either.
Classic example of government trying to make others do its work (and not paying them for it).
How are airline employees supposed to "check" validity of documentation? They aren't trained for that. And I don't think that is their job. It is the job of immigration, which apparently cannot spot forgeries in the UK either.
Classic example of government trying to make others do its work (and not paying them for it).
Unfortunately it doesn't always work but there are mechanisms in place to try and limit 'illegal' immigration.
In years gone past when I used to go to Lagos quite a bit, VS used to photocopy passports before boarding at the gate in case some pax intent on claiming asylum on arrival disposed of their travels documents on board the aircraft.
Apologies for keeping this OT.
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