El Al checking both passports
May 12, 2016, 7:49 am
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While that might be the rule, I was never asked to show any form of identification in the last few years of living in the Netherlands, nor when visiting any other EU country for that matter, so passport always stays in the hotel.
In fact, flying with KLM into Germany I can even leave my passport at home, as it is not required at the airport nor in hotels.
In fact, flying with KLM into Germany I can even leave my passport at home, as it is not required at the airport nor in hotels.
https://www.government.nl/topics/ide...identification
While I can fly into and out of Germany and not show my passport to the airlines and hotels or anyone else on my trips to Germany, Germany does have a compulsory identification rule too. Most of us may never encounter it's enforcement as a visitor, but it still exists there too.
For Italy, the hotels ask me always still for my passport, so even when I could practically fly there without my passport from the Netherlands or Denmark or Sweden, I would have issues on arrival with hotels or even the Italian law enforcement authorities from time to time if I didn't have my passport with me on my trips.
I'm not sure how much all of those involved in asking for multiple identification are aware of the practical necessities or handicaps to traveling with more than one passport, but some are rather clueless about the actual legal regimes in the countries about which they may keep asking when it comes to identification matters. In most cases, the somewhat bizarre outcomes related to identification demands wouldn't occur if not but for ignorance of those asking the questions but relying upon a systemic approach that may be more about form than about substance.
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May 12, 2016, 9:14 am
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The Dutch have kindly provided information in English for the non-Dutch:
https://www.government.nl/topics/ide...identification
https://www.government.nl/topics/ide...identification
May 13, 2016, 1:51 am
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A Schengen entry stamp is not a residence sticker. And residency stickers in the EU are largely being phased out and replaced by residence cards.
May 15, 2016, 4:32 am
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Well the USA asks you about other passports when you apply for an ESTA, and Australia asks when you apply for similar entry permit too.
Surely it is a legitimate question. The interesting part is whether "I don't have it with me" is considered a legitimate answer
Surely it is a legitimate question. The interesting part is whether "I don't have it with me" is considered a legitimate answer
May 15, 2016, 4:38 am
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The USA never asked me, as an American citizen, if I have another passport.
May 15, 2016, 5:33 am
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I have been asked by the immigration officer at TLV to present my non-Israeli passport when leaving the country. I found the request annoying and even a little worrying. It has been alleged that dual nationals have had their identity stolen by the Mossad for covert operations. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8520227.stm)
Some countries (eg the UK) will allow you to hold two valid passports issued by them (to enable you to travel while the other passport is held by a foreign consulate for a visa, for example.) Presenting the unstamped second passport may at least address intrusive over-inquisitiveness.
Some countries (eg the UK) will allow you to hold two valid passports issued by them (to enable you to travel while the other passport is held by a foreign consulate for a visa, for example.) Presenting the unstamped second passport may at least address intrusive over-inquisitiveness.
May 15, 2016, 5:44 am
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Some countries have their passport control and other officials check for foreign admissibility criteria of even their own citizens (whether or not those citizens are dual citizens) in order to control the traffic between the two countries and stay on or get on the good side for visa waiver allowances of their own citizens or for something else.
The US sometimes asks US citizens if they have dual-citizenship and/or a passport from another country. I've observed such questions being asked by CBP employees and others working for the USG, and it has been asked of at least some US citizens and sometimes of non-US citizens -- even beyond the context of applying for a visa/ESTA.
US passport applications are submitted with the following language included unless you strike out part of it.
What do you with your US passport applications when that language is on your form? Ignore it?
US passport applications are submitted with the following language included unless you strike out part of it.
Originally Posted by Excerpt from within the US State Department's US passport application form
I have not, since acquiring United States citizenship/nationality, been naturalized as a citizen of a foreign state; taken an oath or made an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state; entered or served in the armed forces of a foreign state; accepted or performed the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or political subdivision thereof; made a formal renunciation of nationality either in the United States, or before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state; or been convicted by a court or court martial of competent jurisdiction of committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, or conspiring to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force, the government of the United States.
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May 15, 2016, 8:25 am
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May 15, 2016, 8:35 am
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The same is true for me and for my children. We have all applied for new/renewed passports at the US consulates in Tel Aviv and Haifa and never been asked about it, even though my children have Israel listed as their place of birth.
May 15, 2016, 8:54 am
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). The philosophy is that you are guilty unless you will prove that you are not. Being Jewish helps, and being Jewish and Israeli is even better.
May 15, 2016, 9:39 am
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Given administrative/prosecutorial discretion, whether or not the government chooses to make an issue about such section of the "application" (albeit you can claim that is part of the instructions and not the application) is going to vary -- as it already has in practice.
Well, now we US citizens here all noticed it, right?
It's here: 212239.pdf
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May 15, 2016, 9:40 am
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IMHO this LY practice has nothing to do with legal or immigration issues; it is a pure intrusive, arbitrary in the name of Security. If there was a "real" requirement they would not refuse to explain it. The fact that they take the passports away for "inspection" is suspicious in itself (maybe photocopying them for future use of the Mossad ). The philosophy is that you are guilty unless you will prove that you are not. Being Jewish helps, and being Jewish and Israeli is even better.
). The philosophy is that you are guilty unless you will prove that you are not. Being Jewish helps, and being Jewish and Israeli is even better.In fact, I suspect that if the Mossad were to want foreign passports it would photocopy those belonging to those who are not dual citizens. Why set up a link back to Israel?
May 15, 2016, 9:56 am
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Dual-citizens as marks for intelligence operations, even when those persons are citizens of the same country as the intelligence agency? Has happened before, including by way of the Mossad. Then some will say "do you really think we are that stupid in our intelligence operations that we leave a link back?" There is a reason some say that government intelligence is an oxymoronic phase.
May 16, 2016, 9:12 am
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The US sometimes asks US citizens if they have dual-citizenship and/or a passport from another country. I've observed such questions being asked by CBP employees and others working for the USG, and it has been asked of at least some US citizens and sometimes of non-US citizens -- even beyond the context of applying for a visa/ESTA.
May 17, 2016, 3:23 am
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Some countries have their passport control and other officials check for foreign admissibility criteria of even their own citizens (whether or not those citizens are dual citizens) in order to control the traffic between the two countries and stay on or get on the good side for visa waiver allowances of their own citizens or for something else.
The US sometimes asks US citizens if they have dual-citizenship and/or a passport from another country. I've observed such questions being asked by CBP employees and others working for the USG, and it has been asked of at least some US citizens and sometimes of non-US citizens -- even beyond the context of applying for a visa/ESTA.
US passport applications are submitted with the following language included unless you strike out part of it.
What do you with your US passport applications when that language is on your form? Ignore it?
The US sometimes asks US citizens if they have dual-citizenship and/or a passport from another country. I've observed such questions being asked by CBP employees and others working for the USG, and it has been asked of at least some US citizens and sometimes of non-US citizens -- even beyond the context of applying for a visa/ESTA.
US passport applications are submitted with the following language included unless you strike out part of it.
What do you with your US passport applications when that language is on your form? Ignore it?