Is EL AL Combining JFK and CDG Flights
Jul 29, 2014, 2:18 pm
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Is EL AL Combining JFK and CDG Flights
I noticed last night that EL AL had 2 departures close to one another from JFK. First, LY012 departed for CDG and then LY008 departed for TLV. The a/c operating LY012 was 4X-ELA, so it could not have been a cargo flight.
Are loads that low that they are combining JFK and CDG flights or is there another reason for this combination?
Are loads that low that they are combining JFK and CDG flights or is there another reason for this combination?
Jul 29, 2014, 5:54 pm
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So, are we to assume that this means EL AL no longer exclusively flies non-stop b/w New York and Tel Aviv and that pax should inquire when booking whether flights that were previously non-stop contain a stop over in Europe?
Jul 30, 2014, 5:46 am
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These are called positioning flights. Take a look at EL AL departures from Athens on 30th Aug. There is a flight 329 to Paris which leaves Athens at 2200 ant arrives in CDG at 0015 (on 01/08). Nothing to get excited about.
Years ago there used to be an EL AL New York flight which flew from TLV via London Stanstead once a week or so. It actually offered a very good deal for London-New York. We are not talking about this stuff here though.
Years ago there used to be an EL AL New York flight which flew from TLV via London Stanstead once a week or so. It actually offered a very good deal for London-New York. We are not talking about this stuff here though.
Jul 30, 2014, 12:29 pm
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I doubt EL AL is flying empty 744's across the Atlantic. These routings are increasing in number so likely they are combination flights.
Jul 30, 2014, 4:03 pm
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Nope.
Jul 30, 2014, 5:50 pm
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That is an erroneous assumption to make given that I heard several of those recent JFK-CDG flights had JFK originating pax on board. It's clear that, in some cases, EL AL is no longer exclusively flying non stop between JFK and TLV.
Do you have any information from a credible source to the contrary proving that EL AL is now flying empty 744's from JFK to CDG as repositioning flights?
Do you have any information from a credible source to the contrary proving that EL AL is now flying empty 744's from JFK to CDG as repositioning flights?
Jul 31, 2014, 10:38 am
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Do you know for a fact these passengers were booked on LY non-stop because I've heard during the FAA ban to TLV DL were flying TLV bound passengers to CDG so could LY been working with DL during the issue because I know their codeshare and interline were cancelled but AF was not flying to TLV either at that time.
Aug 2, 2014, 8:47 pm
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Do you know for a fact these passengers were booked on LY non-stop because I've heard during the FAA ban to TLV DL were flying TLV bound passengers to CDG so could LY been working with DL during the issue because I know their codeshare and interline were cancelled but AF was not flying to TLV either at that time.
Aug 3, 2014, 2:23 am
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The EL AL website shows a JFK departure on 4th August of LY014 to Paris. However, this flight does not show on ExpertFlyer, nor can it be booked on the EL AL website. I think one must conclude it is a positioning flight.
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Aug 3, 2014, 3:44 pm
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I don't think we can conclude that given that based on the information I provided in previous posts on this thread.
Aug 4, 2014, 1:36 am
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