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Old Apr 8, 2012, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
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The semantics are important. A bilateral partnership is a partnership that can always just end. It's only between 2 airlines, and LY is then forced to make lots of relationships. An alliance makes LY a part of a group automatically
Alliances include "bilateral partnerships". Think about some of the car company alliances -- bilateral partnerships are a subset of alliances in that industry too. Think about KLM and Northwest from last decade. Bilateral partnerships may widen into a bigger alliance than a bilateral partnership but LY hasn't done much of anything in deepening relationships so as to get reciprocal benefit arrangements when it comes to loyalty program elites and elite benefits for partner-network-wide benefits even on a bilateral alliance basis.

I still don't get why non-alliance members in any of the big three global airline alliances would care about the relationship between LY's home state or the home state's national religion and others when there is no clarity that LY's participation in any of the big 3 global airline alliances necessarily comes with any negative retaliation from any state that already has an airline in one of the Big 3.

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Old Apr 8, 2012, 2:05 pm
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Originally Posted by yosithezet
I think what LY and Alaskan have are what most of would call bilateral partnerships rather than an alliance.
I was referring more so to AS-DL and AS-AA kind of arrangements than AS-LY.
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Old Apr 8, 2012, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Alliances include "bilateral partnerships". Think about some of the car company alliances -- bilateral partnerships are a subset of alliances in that industry too. Think about KLM and Northwest from last decade. Bilateral partnerships may widen into a bigger alliance than a bilateral partnership but LY hasn't done much of anything in deepening relationships so as to get reciprocal benefit arrangements when it comes to loyalty program elites and elite benefits for partner-network-wide benefits even on a bilateral alliance basis.
That might be, but at the end of the day, an alliance is clearly better.

I still don't get why non-alliance members in any of the big three global airline alliances would care about the relationship between LY's home state or the home state's national religion any others when there is no clarity that LY's participation in any of the big 3 global airline alliances necessarily comes with any negative retaliation from any state that already has an airline in one of the Big 3.
Huh?

Originally Posted by GUWonder
I was referring more so to AS-DL and AS-AA kind of arrangements than AS-LY.
yosithezet wasn't referring to the AS/LY relationship - he was referring to AS's relationships in general and LY's relationships in general. AS and LY have no relationship with each other.
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Old Apr 8, 2012, 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
The semantics are important. A bilateral partnership is a partnership that can always just end. It's only between 2 airlines, and LY is then forced to make lots of relationships. An alliance makes LY a part of a group automatically
The term alliance has been used in many instances to describe the relationship between just two airlines. There is no "written in stone" definition that dictates it only be used when referring to the big three.
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Old Apr 8, 2012, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by yosithezet
I think what LY and Alaskan have are what most of would call bilateral partnerships rather than an alliance.
Yes, rather like a marriage. After all both are likely to end up in a בית דין.
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Old Apr 8, 2012, 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by 45128
Yes, rather like a marriage. After all both are likely to end up in a בית דין.
ROFL, and if they up divorcing, the כתובה also requires a hefty exit fee.
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Old Apr 9, 2012, 6:09 am
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Can you get FF points for all those appearances before the בית דין?
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Originally Posted by 45128
Can you get FF points for all those appearances before the בית דין?
To those wondering, בית דין. pronounced beit din, is a court of Jewish law.
כתובה, pronounced "ketubah", is a Jewish marriage contract.

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Old Apr 9, 2012, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by joshwex90
כתובה, pronounced "ketubah", is a Jewish bill of divorce.
The Ketubah is the Jewish marriage contract. The Jewish bill of divorce is a "Get."
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Old Apr 9, 2012, 11:33 am
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The Ketubah is the Jewish marriage contract. The Jewish bill of divorce is a "Get."
We were talking about divorce as I was typing that, so I screwed that up. Thanks
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El Al would make a great member of a 4th alliance. It will allow a lot of growth.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 2:33 am
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Originally Posted by Shimon
El Al would make a great member of a 4th alliance. It will allow a lot of growth.
Unless you count the Virgin group, there's simply not enough quality carriers to form another alliance, especially with so much consolidation going on.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
Unless you count the Virgin group, there's simply not enough quality carriers to form another alliance, especially with so much consolidation going on.
The various Virgin branded airlines and one or two of the bigger long-haul-flying Middle East airlines could pull off another major multi-airline global alliance with a route network covering at least four continents. Otherwise there is always Ryanair and Southwest, but they don't seem like the kind to want to engage in such entanglements.
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Old Apr 12, 2012, 6:03 am
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el al

shkadi should listen to the song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVBvy2cc0Io
without flying on 7 days a week it wont get el al near an alliance.
elal needs to focus on making a profit now and not on crying about lcc and alliances.
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Old Apr 13, 2012, 2:08 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
... and one or two of the bigger long-haul-flying Middle East airlines...
That really boils down to EY and EK. If for some reason both of them changed their strategy and decided to join an alliance, I doubt both would join the "One-Virgin" alliance.

Originally Posted by GUWonder
Otherwise there is always Ryanair and Southwest, but they don't seem like the kind to want to engage in such entanglements.
I was going to mention some sort of LCC alliance, but the trouble with that is the lack of any trans-oceanic LCC carrier to link the various networks. WN and FR can partner all they want, but they can't truly codeshare.
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