Is this a weather or mechanical delay? Today MSP EWR
Mar 27, 2017, 10:28 am
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Is this a weather or mechanical delay? Today MSP EWR
My SO is on MSP EWR today, scheduled for 7AM departure.
Left on time, an hour into the flight the captain announced they were headed back to MSP because snow was forecast for EWR today-- and the aircraft's de icing system was inoperative. The 10:50am new departure time came and went, moved to 11, then 11:15, now it's 11:30.
What does DL do with long delays like this on domestic flights? I wonder if this will be considered weather related..
I will let you know more here when I hear how they handled it.
Left on time, an hour into the flight the captain announced they were headed back to MSP because snow was forecast for EWR today-- and the aircraft's de icing system was inoperative. The 10:50am new departure time came and went, moved to 11, then 11:15, now it's 11:30.
What does DL do with long delays like this on domestic flights? I wonder if this will be considered weather related..
I will let you know more here when I hear how they handled it.
Mar 27, 2017, 10:46 am
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they either repaired the de-icing system or did a tail swap
I always wonder why DL IT doesn't (or can't) update departure times more promptly ... even if the jet gets in 10-15 min ahead of the current estimate, they'll STILL be after the currently posted departure estimate (and we know full well that the update is likely to say 330 ... then 340 ... then 345 ...)
I always wonder why DL IT doesn't (or can't) update departure times more promptly ... even if the jet gets in 10-15 min ahead of the current estimate, they'll STILL be after the currently posted departure estimate (and we know full well that the update is likely to say 330 ... then 340 ... then 345 ...)
Mar 27, 2017, 10:51 am
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Snow? I guess at the higher elevations maybe? Because it's almost 50 degrees (and climbing) at EWR.
Note that there are ATC delays at EWR, so they may try to claim weather.
Due to WEATHER / WIND, departure traffic destined to Newark International Airport, Newark, NJ (EWR) is currently experiencing delays averaging 2 hours and 6 minutes.
Note that there are ATC delays at EWR, so they may try to claim weather.
Due to WEATHER / WIND, departure traffic destined to Newark International Airport, Newark, NJ (EWR) is currently experiencing delays averaging 2 hours and 6 minutes.
Mar 27, 2017, 11:05 am
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1. Why does this matter?
2. If the SO certain that the Captain said that it was the aircraft's deicing system and not the airport's? (which would make more sense and might make a difference if there is an answer to #1).
2. If the SO certain that the Captain said that it was the aircraft's deicing system and not the airport's? (which would make more sense and might make a difference if there is an answer to #1).
Last edited by Often1; Mar 27, 2017 at 11:16 am
Mar 27, 2017, 12:22 pm
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The reason for turning back would be icing conditions aloft, not at the surface. When one of several anti-icing systems fail, flight into known icing conditions is prohibited.
Mar 27, 2017, 12:35 pm
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You guys are assuming that airplanes only encounter weather at the surface. It can be 70 degrees on the ground and the airplane is still accumulating ice at 10,000 feet.
When certain anti-ice systems fail the airplane is prohibited from flying into icing conditions. That basically means that any clouds at all between MSP and EWR means the flight cannot continue. This would be a mechanical delay since it's a mechanical failure of an airplane system.
When certain anti-ice systems fail the airplane is prohibited from flying into icing conditions. That basically means that any clouds at all between MSP and EWR means the flight cannot continue. This would be a mechanical delay since it's a mechanical failure of an airplane system.
Mar 27, 2017, 1:41 pm
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It does matter. Delta usually does a good job of giving reasonable comp ($100-200) when there are MX delays of multiple hours. For WX I wouldn't ask.
Mar 27, 2017, 8:20 pm
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Pax weren't offered anything other than apologies, though I know that DL often sends emails/surveys afterward.
I'll update with what DL says.
Interesting about the conditions aloft, yes my SO was also wondering how snow was a factor with such warm temps.
Thanks again!
Mar 27, 2017, 10:28 pm
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Mar 29, 2017, 6:38 am
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Agreed. Seems like a legit question.
Fill out the comment/complaint and state the captain said the plane's de-icing wasn't working. And wait for their reply.
Fill out the comment/complaint and state the captain said the plane's de-icing wasn't working. And wait for their reply.