Wanted First. Booked First. Not in First.
Sep 20, 2014, 8:50 am
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Sep 20, 2014, 8:59 am
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Airlines most certainly maintain a right to make schedule changes. When they are for future flights all they offer is a full refund and/or waived change fee.
This is most certainly not like compensation under IROPS where the pax has no choice.
OP might get some token SMs if he writes a complaint (because DL seams to always toss some miles), but that would be all I would expect for the OP having to fly the next day.
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Sep 20, 2014, 9:28 am
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Sep 20, 2014, 11:41 am
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Also, just checked those routes and noticed that both first and coach are listed as "no meal service." Its 12 hours westbound. I'm sure there is a meal served in first, but it's actually possible that coach would be a 12 hour flight with only food for sale. This makes a potential downgrade even more serious. On a side note, I really hope they feed those coach pax!
Sep 20, 2014, 4:25 pm
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Which (IMO) is a crime. JFK-LHR can be just over six hours with two services. The fares on the ATL flight (and connections to that flight) are generally higher in Y. DL can spring for a meal and snack on a flight that long. I realize UA and AA don't either, but if HA can...DL surely can.
Sep 20, 2014, 4:27 pm
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I have a difficult time believing that DL swapped equipment over 3 months out on a flight that was already so heavily booked in a premium cabin that they had to downgrade customers ...
I don't doubt that an equipment swap occurred, I do doubt that they had to downgrade customers due to it.
I don't doubt that an equipment swap occurred, I do doubt that they had to downgrade customers due to it.
Sep 20, 2014, 5:49 pm
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I TOTALLY believe it is sold out. Look at ATLHNL on 12/19....look at JFKHNL on 12/19. Hell, even SLCHNL on 12/19 only has 2 available. SEAOGG on 12/20 - Gone up front/over in back.
Sep 20, 2014, 6:10 pm
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Agreed. I just booked December travel to OGG. I'd planned to wait longer and and watch fares but didn't like the availability for the seats I wanted. I can believe it's sold out.
Sep 20, 2014, 9:32 pm
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Which (IMO) is a crime. JFK-LHR can be just over six hours with two services. The fares on the ATL flight (and connections to that flight) are generally higher in Y. DL can spring for a meal and snack on a flight that long. I realize UA and AA don't either, but if HA can...DL surely can.
Similar to how FC to SJU (at one time) did not get meals, but FC to STT (50 miles longer) did... The revenue management caste system(?).
Sep 22, 2014, 8:37 am
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The JFK-HNL HNL-JFK nonstops that only operate around the holidays have been full in first for awhile. I tried looking at one two months ago and nothing in first for a paid ticket. These flights only operate around the holidays each year, and generally fill up as soon as they're announced. They all of course operate on 767s, which mean they can end up getting different size cabins.
These flights were fairly open up front until about two months ago, and then started to get heavily booked.
Sep 22, 2014, 9:12 am
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I've seen them before. They operate for such a short frequency though that it's blink and you miss. This year seems like they're operating them for most of the holiday period.
Sep 22, 2014, 8:20 pm
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Which (IMO) is a crime. JFK-LHR can be just over six hours with two services. The fares on the ATL flight (and connections to that flight) are generally higher in Y. DL can spring for a meal and snack on a flight that long. I realize UA and AA don't either, but if HA can...DL surely can.
Sep 23, 2014, 6:26 am
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Originally that JFK-HNL holiday route was loaded with a 747... I guess it got dropped down to the 767 family when the early retirement for 4 of the 747s was announced, so I'm sure that didn't help the F shortage either.
Sep 23, 2014, 7:27 am
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I'm not sure when the retirement was announced, but I booked my JFK-HNL flights in March, and they've been a 767 since then. How early do they load these flights?
Sep 23, 2014, 8:47 am
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I forget what the thread title was, but someone posted about some/many of the JFK-HNL flights being operated by a 747... was a while ago.