Now that we are joining *A, where will CO expand to next?
Feb 19, 2009, 8:55 am
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How about CLE-FRA
Feb 19, 2009, 9:37 am
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Feb 19, 2009, 9:41 am
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I would like to see more service out of LAX. Am I dreaming?
Feb 19, 2009, 9:45 am
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Yes, but IIRC there are only two NYC – MUC direct flights, total. Possibly MUC could use one more on CO metal?
And do we know how tight CO will be with LH? Since CO will be pretty tight with UA, does the transitive property mean CO will be pretty tight with LH? Did they have any thoughts about this in the Alliance/Partner sub-forum at the last DO?
Service NYC – MUC is always a puzzle to me, compared to AMS, for example. There is probably much more business travel to MUC than AMS, and I’m assuming as much or more tourism travel to MUC than AMS, yet there seem to be many more NYC – AMS flights. Is it just an issue that AMS is one of the major Sky Team connection points (along with CDG), while Munich is close to 100% O/D?
And do we know how tight CO will be with LH? Since CO will be pretty tight with UA, does the transitive property mean CO will be pretty tight with LH? Did they have any thoughts about this in the Alliance/Partner sub-forum at the last DO?
Service NYC – MUC is always a puzzle to me, compared to AMS, for example. There is probably much more business travel to MUC than AMS, and I’m assuming as much or more tourism travel to MUC than AMS, yet there seem to be many more NYC – AMS flights. Is it just an issue that AMS is one of the major Sky Team connection points (along with CDG), while Munich is close to 100% O/D?
Feb 19, 2009, 10:48 am
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Feb 19, 2009, 11:36 am
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I've found it interesting that in all the years CO in Skyteam, they never even hinted/hints at flying to ICN to connect with KE. And KE never started flights to IAH or EWR.
I'd be interested to see what the relationship between CO and OZ will be. Perhaps OZ will switch their JFK flight to EWR?
One thing that will make a flight to ICN unlikely is that CO will have a strong Asian partner NH at NRT. And Chinese destinations can be connected via PEK and PVG. So, there's less need to connect with OZ for other northern Asian destinations.
I'd be interested to see what the relationship between CO and OZ will be. Perhaps OZ will switch their JFK flight to EWR?
One thing that will make a flight to ICN unlikely is that CO will have a strong Asian partner NH at NRT. And Chinese destinations can be connected via PEK and PVG. So, there's less need to connect with OZ for other northern Asian destinations.
Feb 19, 2009, 1:05 pm
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All indications are that they will join UA in a JV with LH and AC. From a United Press Release:
Does anyone know if LX is included under this, as well?
I think you are overestimating the business travel market to MUC and underestimating the tourist market to AMS. AMS is a very popular location for US businesses because the Dutch are much, much more business-friendly than the Germans, particularly with regards to tax planning. Ex-IAH, you also have the 800lb gorilla of Shell.
And, according to this (link), it gets almost double the foreign visitors that Munich does.
Certainly, MUC might steal a flight or two, but I don't think it will ever see the capacity that AMS does/did.
I've always been a bit surprised too. But given that it didn't happen with ST, I'd have to say I would be surprised if it happened when they join *A.
The planned trans-Atlantic joint venture, in which Continental, United, Lufthansa and Air Canada will pool revenue, will permit the carriers to compete more effectively with the proposed joint venture involving certain SkyTeam members that was recently granted antitrust immunity. The trans-Atlantic joint venture will combine the strength of the carriers to create a more efficient and comprehensive trans-Atlantic network for the carriers' customers.
Service NYC – MUC is always a puzzle to me, compared to AMS, for example. There is probably much more business travel to MUC than AMS, and I’m assuming as much or more tourism travel to MUC than AMS, yet there seem to be many more NYC – AMS flights. Is it just an issue that AMS is one of the major Sky Team connection points (along with CDG), while Munich is close to 100% O/D?
And, according to this (link), it gets almost double the foreign visitors that Munich does.
Certainly, MUC might steal a flight or two, but I don't think it will ever see the capacity that AMS does/did.
I've always been a bit surprised too. But given that it didn't happen with ST, I'd have to say I would be surprised if it happened when they join *A.
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Feb 19, 2009, 1:26 pm
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Feb 19, 2009, 1:39 pm
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Feb 19, 2009, 1:46 pm
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Actually, at the time KE started DFW service, DFW was still a DL hub. IIRC it was also started before CO entered SkyTeam. Apparently the flight has done well enough without much SkyTeam feed to last all these years.
Feb 19, 2009, 1:47 pm
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I think you are overestimating the business travel market to MUC and underestimating the tourist market to AMS. AMS is a very popular location for US businesses because the Dutch are much, much more business-friendly than the Germans, particularly with regards to tax planning. Ex-IAH, you also have the 800lb gorilla of Shell.
Feb 19, 2009, 1:52 pm
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Although, with the very odd cold war-esque LH hub placement (no hub at TXL, quasi hub at MUC, main hub at FRA), one can never tell where the bulk of their ops are going these days. Especially with the new Berlin-Brandenberg Airport (BER/BBI) opening soon...
Why would anybody HUB in Berlin? There is NOTHING in Berlin but the capital and lots of people living there that don't have any money at all. So Berlin is not considered and LH already said that they won't HUB there once the new airport comes online. Even before the financial crisis, Berlin was bankrupt, there are no real businesses there either.
MUC is way wealthier, both the people and the businesses there. Also, MUC is not just a quasi hub for LH but a real one as much as EWR is a HUB for CO.