Future CO/UA cross-fleeting routes
Nov 21, 2010, 10:53 am
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Since we're dreaming and all, I'd like to add my $.02 on the EWR-TLV changes. I love MBM3's idea of 3X daily 744s. But with the following conditions:
UA's new International First suites, plus Business class modeled after BusinessFirst. Say 24 F and 50-70ish C. E+ obviously. And elites can choose E+ for free. And to better compete with LY, offer EUAs, even from E to C. (Though this can happen a couple of hours out.) Hey, I can dream, right
UA's new International First suites, plus Business class modeled after BusinessFirst. Say 24 F and 50-70ish C. E+ obviously. And elites can choose E+ for free. And to better compete with LY, offer EUAs, even from E to C. (Though this can happen a couple of hours out.) Hey, I can dream, right
Just imagine, though, if all we end up with is no international F, no E+, no PS...and no RJ's larger than 50 seats (after CAL & UAL ALPA insist on it during the next round of contract negotiations).
All of a sudden, the dream turns into something of a nightmare...
Nov 21, 2010, 11:23 am
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That would be sweet.
Just imagine, though, if all we end up with is no international F, no E+, no PS...and no RJ's larger than 50 seats (after CAL & UAL ALPA insist on it during the next round of contract negotiations).
All of a sudden, the dream turns into something of a nightmare...
Just imagine, though, if all we end up with is no international F, no E+, no PS...and no RJ's larger than 50 seats (after CAL & UAL ALPA insist on it during the next round of contract negotiations).
All of a sudden, the dream turns into something of a nightmare...
Nov 21, 2010, 12:53 pm
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Nov 21, 2010, 1:09 pm
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That would be sweet.
Just imagine, though, if all we end up with is no international F, no E+, no PS...and no RJ's larger than 50 seats (after CAL & UAL ALPA insist on it during the next round of contract negotiations).
All of a sudden, the dream turns into something of a nightmare...
Just imagine, though, if all we end up with is no international F, no E+, no PS...and no RJ's larger than 50 seats (after CAL & UAL ALPA insist on it during the next round of contract negotiations).
All of a sudden, the dream turns into something of a nightmare...
Nov 21, 2010, 1:49 pm
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If this happens, it has nothing to do with me...
For years I have been playing up the benefits of E+ and if it were to be taken away, no one would be more devastated than me.
I don't call it being negative, I call it being diligent.
Don't let them get away with getting rid of all these wonderful benefits of UA...
For years I have been playing up the benefits of E+ and if it were to be taken away, no one would be more devastated than me.
I don't call it being negative, I call it being diligent.
Don't let them get away with getting rid of all these wonderful benefits of UA...
Nov 21, 2010, 6:01 pm
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If this happens, it has nothing to do with me...
For years I have been playing up the benefits of E+ and if it were to be taken away, no one would be more devastated than me.
I don't call it being negative, I call it being diligent.
Don't let them get away with getting rid of all these wonderful benefits of UA...
For years I have been playing up the benefits of E+ and if it were to be taken away, no one would be more devastated than me.
I don't call it being negative, I call it being diligent.
Don't let them get away with getting rid of all these wonderful benefits of UA...
E+ is a good place to start, but the uncomfortable (and allegedly unsafe) design of Koito CO Y seats on most of the 737 fleet needs to be addressed as well.
Nov 21, 2010, 6:31 pm
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Can't argue with that. I certainly appreciate the visible effort people like you have made and agree with the need to keep the pressure on.
E+ is a good place to start, but the uncomfortable (and allegedly unsafe) design of Koito CO Y seats on most of the 737 fleet needs to be addressed as well.
E+ is a good place to start, but the uncomfortable (and allegedly unsafe) design of Koito CO Y seats on most of the 737 fleet needs to be addressed as well.
One thing that intrigued me about the Koito scandal is that the EASA, the EU equivalent of the FAA, not only banned Koito from manufacturing new seats (as did the FAA), but they also banned any a/c with Koito seats from operating in the EU airspace, based on safety concerns.
The FAA did not go so far, because, according to sources quoted in the NY Times and the WSJ, they were concerned about the effect grounding virtually the entire CO fleet would have on the airline business.
What I don't understand, though, is how CO continues to operate in EU airspace...
Nov 21, 2010, 7:54 pm
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Agreed.
One thing that intrigued me about the Koito scandal is that the EASA, the EU equivalent of the FAA, not only banned Koito from manufacturing new seats (as did the FAA), but they also banned any a/c with Koito seats from operating in the EU airspace, based on safety concerns.
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What I don't understand, though, is how CO continues to operate in EU airspace...
One thing that intrigued me about the Koito scandal is that the EASA, the EU equivalent of the FAA, not only banned Koito from manufacturing new seats (as did the FAA), but they also banned any a/c with Koito seats from operating in the EU airspace, based on safety concerns.
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What I don't understand, though, is how CO continues to operate in EU airspace...
EASA will require that all Koito seats be removed from aircraft within two years unless the airline is willing to pursue a new certification process for the seats in question. Any such plan must be first approved by EASA before going into effect.
The FAA will also require certification of the seats but not at a 100% compliance level based on the original spec.
More details and links to the source material here: http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thewan...-seat-debacle/.
There are at least 18 months left before CO has to replace all the seats on affected aircraft to comply with the EASA directive and I'm betting that there are some serious discussions/negotiations underway right now on that front.
Nov 21, 2010, 8:00 pm
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That's not 100% accurate.
EASA will require that all Koito seats be removed from aircraft within two years unless the airline is willing to pursue a new certification process for the seats in question. Any such plan must be first approved by EASA before going into effect.
The FAA will also require certification of the seats but not at a 100% compliance level based on the original spec.
More details and links to the source material here: http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thewan...-seat-debacle/.
There are at least 18 months left before CO has to replace all the seats on affected aircraft to comply with the EASA directive and I'm betting that there are some serious discussions/negotiations underway right now on that front.
EASA will require that all Koito seats be removed from aircraft within two years unless the airline is willing to pursue a new certification process for the seats in question. Any such plan must be first approved by EASA before going into effect.
The FAA will also require certification of the seats but not at a 100% compliance level based on the original spec.
More details and links to the source material here: http://boardingarea.com/blogs/thewan...-seat-debacle/.
There are at least 18 months left before CO has to replace all the seats on affected aircraft to comply with the EASA directive and I'm betting that there are some serious discussions/negotiations underway right now on that front.
If EASA doesn't cave, it will be interesting to see what happens to CO's Koito seats. Perhaps this will be the catalyst to scuttle this wretched seat (although I know you love it) and add E+ to the economy cabin interiors...
Nov 22, 2010, 6:26 am
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I agree too. They would have a lot of trouble selling UA domestic config seats as BF/C seats.
Nov 22, 2010, 6:31 am
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Can't argue with that. I certainly appreciate the visible effort people like you have made and agree with the need to keep the pressure on.
E+ is a good place to start, but the uncomfortable (and allegedly unsafe) design of Koito CO Y seats on most of the 737 fleet needs to be addressed as well.
E+ is a good place to start, but the uncomfortable (and allegedly unsafe) design of Koito CO Y seats on most of the 737 fleet needs to be addressed as well.
I had read about the Koito scandal, but I never fully understood what it was. The article I had been reading merely referenced in connection with CO's change of plans. More importantly, what safety issue was there?
Nov 22, 2010, 6:34 am
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Koito's CEO held a press conference in which he explained that, given how inexpensively Koito was selling its seats, it was not possible to actually fund real safety tests. Nice.
In the United Stattes, Continental is by far and away Koito's biggest client and about 90% of CO's fleet has Koito seats.
Nov 22, 2010, 6:37 am
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Koito falsified its safety tests for the seats, primarily as regards the required flammability standards.
Koito's CEO held a press conference in which he explained that, given how inexpensively Koito was selling its seats, it was not possible to actually fund real safety tests. Nice.
In the United Stattes, Continental is by far and away Koito's biggest client and about 90% of CO's fleet has Koito seats.
Koito's CEO held a press conference in which he explained that, given how inexpensively Koito was selling its seats, it was not possible to actually fund real safety tests. Nice.
In the United Stattes, Continental is by far and away Koito's biggest client and about 90% of CO's fleet has Koito seats.
Nov 22, 2010, 6:43 am
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You can read this report:
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2010/...y-wide-issues/
My own gut feeling is that these seats do likely meet the standards.
Nov 22, 2010, 7:39 am
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Correct.
You can read this report:
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2010/...y-wide-issues/
My own gut feeling is that these seats do likely meet the standards.
You can read this report:
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2010/...y-wide-issues/
My own gut feeling is that these seats do likely meet the standards.