SJU Abogado

Awright! I sort of said the same thing above, but you eliminated the abogado verbosity (which is what they teach you in abogado school). Thanks for nicely articulating your well-reasoned - at least in my opinion, which is not necessarily humble - point of view (plus, your Brooklyn presence works well for this born and bred Brooklynite).

Also, I think the umpire has his head screwed on straight. (Now he just has to make sure that he calls them right for the New York team that is in his league.)

IMStill4Travel

And for you Fireworksboy...I will buy a carton of cigarettes tomorrow....go out in the street and pour gas on them...and then destroy them as I fill with glee....who knows...maybe I'll even save a life.....disgusting,nasty and dirty habit generally for lower income folks.
I know...I know..there are exceptions...but many studies have been done that suggest that the greatest percentage of smokers are from the lower income brackets. YMMV.

SJU Abogado

Okay. If I were to make that statement in court, either (1) in a trial setting the other side would object on the ground of lack of foundation, or, in the same vein, (2) the judge would judiciously (which is how judges generally act) say, "Counselor, do you have scientific proof to back it up?"

So, please, show me the money.

Also - and I'm not looking to pick a fight here - this seems to be a very sensitive subject for you, and your commentary is - respectfully - quite at odds with your previously professed relaxed Southern California demeanor (unless I'm confusing you with somebody else, I recall that in another post you stated that you were originally from NJ, but that you discovered enlightenment (my wiseass characterization) when you moved to CA). (Nothing personal here, and I don't mean to offend you.)



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IMStill4Travel

Yes...you are correct...I'm usually a very calm...easy going guy....this is perhaps the one issue that gets me going.... and I do love SoCal..there is no way that I would ever go back to that ratrace...I will list multiple studies for you tomorrow when I get some time....these are well documented...I'm surprised you haven't read about them anywhere.

SJU Abogado

Very well. We can pick this up on Wednesday (which is what it is here on the east coast, so I'm turning in for the night and I'll catch up with you later).

Have a good rest of the evening.

IMStill4Travel

Here you go SJU....read it and weep.

3 studies done by the states of PA,WA and your own NJ. First one is PDF format...you will nead a reader to open.....FYI....there are many more...I just picked the first 3 I came across......didn't take very long...enjoy....and what do I get for "proving" it?

http://www.health.state.pa.us/pdf/hp...98/tobacco.pdf

http://www.doh.wa.gov/tobacco/Report/adults.htm

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/n...ey/6248129.htm


PS...most of these types of studies indicate that smokers are much more likely to be uneducated than non-smokers.

SJU Abogado

You're wearing me down, man. I think I'm going to take a pass from responding to the merits and try to refrain from contributing any more to this thread. It has nothing to do with you or anybody else, but the discussion is getting kind of old to me. I've made my points, as have you and everybody else who has written.

Where's fly aa to see the yanks when you need him to ask the moderator to shut a thread down for going off topic? (I think it's been well established that there is not a smoking lounge in IAH.)

fireworksboy

If they can provide a smoking area that doesn't interfere with non smokers, what's your beef? No matter how disgusting, dirty, smelly a habit it is, how does my smoking affect your life? BTW, thanks for buying the smokes, maybe Philip Morris will put the money towards building a few more smoking dens at the airport. PEOPLE SHOULD LET OTHER PEOPLE LEAD THEIR LIVES. Isn't it funny that the calm, laid back people actually think they are stressed out high strung and that the stressed out high strung ones think that they're the calm ones. Funny how that works. Hope everyone has a great holiday!

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