Its Official: EWR-MUC Announced
Nov 21, 2009, 7:57 am
#76
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Some new CO nonstops I would like to see soon:
EWR-VCE, EWR-VIE, EWR-GIG, IAH-MUC, IAH-MAD
EWR-VCE, EWR-VIE, EWR-GIG, IAH-MUC, IAH-MAD
Nov 21, 2009, 8:05 am
#77
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What if a widebody from EWR - AMS/CDG/LHR were swapped out for two 752 runs? I know the economics/seat cap/cargo would be very different, but it'd allow a single widebody to do the flight from IAH - MUC/MAD/BCN.
Nov 21, 2009, 8:30 am
#78
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True, but the *A announcement was made in the late spring 08, so it's not inconceivable that talks were well under way before then and that LH and the LBA were putting the heat on CO to make this change or face difficulties getting into a partnership with LH.
Nov 21, 2009, 9:26 am
#79
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the brand that makes us stop in Ireland on the way to the USA for no apparent reason.
It works for BA because of the aircraft, service and location of the airport. CO doesn't really have any of those three characteristics so I'm not sure what the appeal for customers would be.
It works for BA because of the aircraft, service and location of the airport. CO doesn't really have any of those three characteristics so I'm not sure what the appeal for customers would be.
2) Again, we're told that "most" coach passangers fly Ryan, EasyJet, etc because they save $50-100 vs. BA, LH, AF, etc. However, we FTer's scoff at those same people because those discount airlines send them to far-flung airports, way outside of town, in order to save $50-100. By the same token, wouldn't those same discount customers, based in VIE or VCE, fly a CO one-stop service via SNN to EWR vs. paying $50-100 more to fly LH, OS, AZ, etc? Logic would seem to indicate that is the case, and that's my point. Therefore, by flying a low CASM 752, CO would establish a customer base in VCE and VIE now, a few years before the 788's come into the fleet. A low CASM 752 also might let CO charge the "magic" $50-100 less than the non-stop competitors, and thereby capture traffic, because CO would be using the right-sized plan on the route vs. the competitors who need to cover the costs of an A330 or A340.
Nov 21, 2009, 1:53 pm
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1) The "reason" is that your alternatives are either a) a non-stop on Austrian to JFK or b) a connection in FRA, MUC, IAD, etc. Therefore, IMHO I'd choose a one-stop same plane service on CO vs. the alternatives. I'm curious which you'd choose. Again, given the chance, I'd jump all over an overnight CO non-stop on a 752 right into VCE or VIE, and accept that on the daylight leg coming home, we'd be stopping in SNN for gas.
2) Again, we're told that "most" coach passangers fly Ryan, EasyJet, etc because they save $50-100 vs. BA, LH, AF, etc. However, we FTer's scoff at those same people because those discount airlines send them to far-flung airports, way outside of town, in order to save $50-100. By the same token, wouldn't those same discount customers, based in VIE or VCE, fly a CO one-stop service via SNN to EWR vs. paying $50-100 more to fly LH, OS, AZ, etc? Logic would seem to indicate that is the case, and that's my point. Therefore, by flying a low CASM 752, CO would establish a customer base in VCE and VIE now, a few years before the 788's come into the fleet. A low CASM 752 also might let CO charge the "magic" $50-100 less than the non-stop competitors, and thereby capture traffic, because CO would be using the right-sized plan on the route vs. the competitors who need to cover the costs of an A330 or A340.
2) Again, we're told that "most" coach passangers fly Ryan, EasyJet, etc because they save $50-100 vs. BA, LH, AF, etc. However, we FTer's scoff at those same people because those discount airlines send them to far-flung airports, way outside of town, in order to save $50-100. By the same token, wouldn't those same discount customers, based in VIE or VCE, fly a CO one-stop service via SNN to EWR vs. paying $50-100 more to fly LH, OS, AZ, etc? Logic would seem to indicate that is the case, and that's my point. Therefore, by flying a low CASM 752, CO would establish a customer base in VCE and VIE now, a few years before the 788's come into the fleet. A low CASM 752 also might let CO charge the "magic" $50-100 less than the non-stop competitors, and thereby capture traffic, because CO would be using the right-sized plan on the route vs. the competitors who need to cover the costs of an A330 or A340.
Not sure when LH will actually start using their influence on OS route structure (expansions rather than cutting) Maybe they will put a bird out to EWR from VIE.
All your arguments make sense, still, the 752 to VIE and VCE are not happening, just my 2 cents!
Nov 21, 2009, 3:19 pm
#81
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VIE and VCE will not happen IMHO as well. If we see any seasonal destinations from CO my guess would be those touristy destinations within range of the 752 and perhaps additional frequencies to *A hubs. VIE and VCE would have too many west bound restrictions to make them worthwhile.
Nov 23, 2009, 6:25 am
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