Gate searches -- still?!? AAARRRHHHGGG!! (merged)
Sep 7, 2016, 9:07 am
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Sep 7, 2016, 9:27 am
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Because the terrorist just walks to customer service and reschedules for another flight where there isn't gate screening. So, your tax dollars get spent, a number of customers are inconvenienced, yet nothing is accomplished.
Sep 7, 2016, 10:32 am
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We are getting close to an election - maybe some notable with a mouth for bringing out the best in civil decorum is on a hit target list. Nothing to worry about here folks - these are not the droids you were looking for but Mr. Phelps has a mission for the keystone (mall) cops in collusion with the SS (Secret Service) to pacify this so called non-event and render it mute !
Sep 7, 2016, 2:26 pm
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Anything they want:Sadly, there is no external constraint on bad screener behavior.
- give you retaliatory screening until you flight departs
- say that you need additional screening and walk you back to the "private room"
- claim you threatened them and issue a civil penalty.
Sep 7, 2016, 3:44 pm
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Earlier, just ahead of the check-in counter, the rented security people were dutifully thumbing through everyone's passport. My passport is chipped, and only the Philippines has bothered to stamp it. So I guess they learned that I really had been where I was. Imagine that!
Sunday 9/11 I am flying LAX-PEK-MNL-CEB, should be loads of fun ....
Sep 7, 2016, 4:38 pm
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We are getting close to an election - maybe some notable with a mouth for
bringing out the best in civil decorum is on a hit target list.
Nothing to worry about here folks - these are not the droids you were looking
for but Mr. Phelps has a mission for the keystone (mall) cops in collusion with
the SS (Secret Service) to pacify this so called non-event and render it mute !
bringing out the best in civil decorum is on a hit target list.
Nothing to worry about here folks - these are not the droids you were looking
for but Mr. Phelps has a mission for the keystone (mall) cops in collusion with
the SS (Secret Service) to pacify this so called non-event and render it mute !
When a ticket is purchased, the name is run through the Secureflight database:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Flight
The TSA checks the IDs to make sure that the passengers that show up to board the plane are the same people who already went through the Secureflight database.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Flight
The TSA checks the IDs to make sure that the passengers that show up to board the plane are the same people who already went through the Secureflight database.
1) An ID check at the gate which doesn't compare the ID against the BP doesn't do a darn thing
2) It's easy enough to obtain ID in a fictitious name that even high school kids can do it to buy booze, and many illegal aliens do it as well, so even the ID/BP check at the gate doesn't really do anything, if a bad actor obtains an ID in a clean name and then books the flight in that same fictitious name.
Oct 4, 2016, 1:06 pm
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Gate checks at CLE last Sunday.
There were 5 of them and they were at the gate way before the plane even landed.
One of them made everyone show their boarding pass and ID, and another one performed "random bag checks"
There were 5 of them and they were at the gate way before the plane even landed.
One of them made everyone show their boarding pass and ID, and another one performed "random bag checks"
Oct 4, 2016, 1:22 pm
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Bad case of 'Red Team' jitters.
Instead of leaving pax standing in long lines while TSOs try to catch what they might have missed at the gate, why not ask TSOs to put their cellphones away and immediately stop all non-mission related personal conversations at the checkpoint.
They'd probably see an immediate improvement in Red Team scores.
Instead of leaving pax standing in long lines while TSOs try to catch what they might have missed at the gate, why not ask TSOs to put their cellphones away and immediately stop all non-mission related personal conversations at the checkpoint.
They'd probably see an immediate improvement in Red Team scores.
Nov 1, 2016, 3:05 am
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JNB-JFK always has a rigourous gate check. The last time I went through a young American woman was furious and made a scene when her bottles of water were denied. I resisted the temptation to explain that it was HER government that was responsible not the nice but resolute South African woman she was screaming at.
Nov 2, 2016, 12:22 pm
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The US has no such rule. Some countries have chosen to make it the rule for flights to US. However its only certain countries that do this for flights to US. I've gone through numerous S. America/E. European and Asian airports and the majority have no such screening. Just the normal security screening.
I hastily took these pictures with my smart phone on November 1, 2016, at Oliver Tambo Aiport outside the departure gate for SA203 JNB-JFK.
Nov 2, 2016, 4:53 pm
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Too many people are unaware that the USG -- DHS/TSA at that too -- meddles abroad in telling governments/airports/airlines abroad what they must do if they want to keep flying to the US in the way they do. The US makes up these rules indeed for US-bound flights.
Nov 5, 2016, 2:24 am
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I've flown DL on the ATL-JNB flight and not had problems. If this is a US rule it's selectively decided on when/whom to enforce it. Also there's plenty of times airlines claim it's a government rule, when it's not.
Case in point. PVG-LAX. Water check when flying DL, but not MU. JNB-US water check flying SA but not DL.
Case in point. PVG-LAX. Water check when flying DL, but not MU. JNB-US water check flying SA but not DL.
Nov 5, 2016, 7:26 am
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I've flown DL on the ATL-JNB flight and not had problems. If this is a US rule it's selectively decided on when/whom to enforce it. Also there's plenty of times airlines claim it's a government rule, when it's not.
Case in point. PVG-LAX. Water check when flying DL, but not MU. JNB-US water check flying SA but not DL.
Case in point. PVG-LAX. Water check when flying DL, but not MU. JNB-US water check flying SA but not DL.
Also Delta is not SAA. SAA aircrews are not permitted to be armed, they don't have an Air Marshal service and their aircraft do not IIRC have hardened cockpits.
It is however ridiculous to suggest that SAA is lying when they post signs explaining that the secondary searches are "by order of the U.S. Department of Homeland Transportation Security Administration."
Last edited by Badenoch; Nov 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm