jkhuggins

And now we enter the interesting realm of "Do laws regarding firearms in Illinois resemble anything like the laws regarding firearms in Georgia?" They probably do, but even my causal reading of FlyerTalk reminds me of the stories of how New York state's rules on firearm possession are so draconian that a passenger who properly packs a firearm in their checked baggage and is involuntarily diverted to New York state can be arrested if they claim their bags.

It's easy for us to "armchair quarterback" from here. Being thrust into an unfamiliar situation, in an unfamiliar location, might make it less likely to identify the "common sense" solution.

cestmoi123

Pity so many other areas of the country don't, making Chicago citizens the victims of other states' insanity.

Boggie Dog

Firearms and certain firearm parts can only be shipped between holders of a FFL. But doing so would resolve the problem.

BSBD

According to a news story posted on Yahoo Travel about this incident:

1. The passenger did indeed tell TSA about the security breach - on purpose. His goal was to alert them to the issue.

2. On the return, the passenger properly packed his firearm in his checked luggage and returned with it without any further drama.

DaveBlaine

Are you telling porkies?

The ATF(E) says otherwise.

DaveBlaine

I totally agree with the NYC Firearms laws and I'm sure many others on here do as well.

Section 107

Porkies.

DB is correct - although handguns are not allowed to be mailed via the USPS (rifles and shotguns are allowed) any person not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm may ship a firearm to himself or herself following certain procedures. No federal license is required.

DaveBlaine

Pork Pies. Lies.

Boggie Dog

Certainly not my intent to misinform but I was wrong in what I posted.

Thanks for setting the matter straight.

And unlike TSA I own up to my shortcomings.

Edit to add:

Doing some further reading it appears that UPS & FEDEX will not ship weapons unless it is between FFL's, LEO agencies, and some other more restrictive criteria than current law provides for.

https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/re.../firearms.html

http://www.fedex.com/us/freight/rule..._articles.html

DaveBlaine

Fed Ex: 2. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).

UPS: from an individual to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector; and (ii) from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to an individual.

Boggie Dog

Yes but neither company allows shipping from yourself to yourself unless licensed.

DaveBlaine

It is not illegal according to the feds; it is possible that the states involved may have an issue.

(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b9

You aren't transferring the firearm. Only sending your property to yourself.

AND YES, UPS allows it: Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
UPS accepts packages containing firearms, as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code, for transportation from and between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors, as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code, law enforcement agencies of the United States (or of any department or agency of the United States) and law enforcement agencies of any state or department agency (or political subdivision of any state), and from and between persons not otherwise prohibited from shipping firearms by federal, state or local law and when such shipment complies with all applicable federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient and package....

thetaxman

What was the most recent failure rate on detection of prohibited articles? Something like 95% from memory.

Based on the fact that they found 2,212 firearms in 2014, then you could extrapolate that to say 42,000 firearms traveled on aircraft in 2014 when they shouldn't have done.

Sounds like the gentlemen in question is not alone, but that the other 41,999 elected not to admit to multiple felonies.

Boggie Dog

The UPS & FEDEX shipping guidelines are clearly more restrictive than federal regulations, I think we can all agree on that point. USPS will ship long guns but not handguns so that avenue is not available for an individual.


So tells us, what would an individual need do to ship a handgun from and to themself? It appears to me the options are limited.

DaveBlaine

Firearms and certain firearm parts can only be shipped between holders of a FFL.