Philly flyer arrested trying to file a TSA complaint
#16
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It would never occur to me to think of Power Bars as *organic matter*. If someone asked about food, maybe. What would it take to bring perjury charges against the screener based on the tape? Does he have a case against the police for false imprisonment?
#17
Join Date: Aug 2011
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I'm probably going to get flammed to death for this but here goes anyway.
Do you think the TSA is slowly becoming like the police who can kill with immunity? Most of us feel powerless against the TSA. We don't look them in the eye, we don't dare ask a question or point out the abject stupidity of their actions because we know then have ultimate and absolute authority. If we make the right investment (Clear, pre-check, etc) we can buy them off.
Is this in any way what it feels like to be a black man in Ferguson?
Do you think the TSA is slowly becoming like the police who can kill with immunity? Most of us feel powerless against the TSA. We don't look them in the eye, we don't dare ask a question or point out the abject stupidity of their actions because we know then have ultimate and absolute authority. If we make the right investment (Clear, pre-check, etc) we can buy them off.
Is this in any way what it feels like to be a black man in Ferguson?
#18
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 574
"Does he have a case against the police for false imprisonment?"
Yeah, sure, in a just world this would be a clear case of violation
of rights. However, can you name a single example of TSA or
other airport "security" goons being prosecuted for anything but
theft or drug smuggling? The 4th Amendment and Due Process are
dead, at least in airports, and until there is a fundamental change in the
status quo this kind of crap will just keep on happening.
Yeah, sure, in a just world this would be a clear case of violation
of rights. However, can you name a single example of TSA or
other airport "security" goons being prosecuted for anything but
theft or drug smuggling? The 4th Amendment and Due Process are
dead, at least in airports, and until there is a fundamental change in the
status quo this kind of crap will just keep on happening.
#19
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"Does he have a case against the police for false imprisonment?"
Yeah, sure, in a just world this would be a clear case of violation
of rights. However, can you name a single example of TSA or
other airport "security" goons being prosecuted for anything but
theft or drug smuggling? The 4th Amendment and Due Process are
dead, at least in airports, and until there is a fundamental change in the
status quo this kind of crap will just keep on happening.
Yeah, sure, in a just world this would be a clear case of violation
of rights. However, can you name a single example of TSA or
other airport "security" goons being prosecuted for anything but
theft or drug smuggling? The 4th Amendment and Due Process are
dead, at least in airports, and until there is a fundamental change in the
status quo this kind of crap will just keep on happening.
#20
Join Date: Aug 2012
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In the comments section of the linked article, there is one person who insists that the "victim" (my term) lied to the TSA when asked about organic matter because he, the vic, should have known it was organic. This commenter is also insisting that the passenger is unintelligent because he doesn't know what organic matter is.
#21
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In the comments section of the linked article, there is one person who insists that the "victim" (my term) lied to the TSA when asked about organic matter because he, the vic, should have known it was organic. This commenter is also insisting that the passenger is unintelligent because he doesn't know what organic matter is.
#22
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The Singapore example above is notable. Singapore immigration officers tend to smile and they also offer a candy dish for you to help yourself. It's just such a stark contrast to how they view their roles versus CBP in the US. Yes, in Singapore, they are professionals and doing a serious job, but they feel they can do that without intentionally being intimidating and with the trappings of a paramilitary-esque police force.
I get it CBP officers, you're defending the border. But you are also the first point of contact with the US and employees of the US government, and are thus particularly representative of the country. Being professional, doing your job well and also being friendly and welcoming to legitimate visitors and returning citizens are not mutually exclusive.
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As a marathon runner, I've carried various energy bars through US airports countless times and never had a problem - I would certainly never have dreamed they were 'organic matter', and it certainly sounds as if whoever asked that question deliberately wanted to engineer a confrontation, and just made something up when they didn't get one.
I could understand if CBP objected to me importing some on entry from the UK - they could at a stretch be thought to contain fruit - hence I always buy locally, but what I have leftover I take on to my next US destination after running.
That this should happen is simply outrageous, but maybe it's not a co-incidence that the TSA at Philly also provided me with my greatest moment of amusement, where the TSA associate checked my British passport, complimented me on my grasp of English, then asked what language I spoke in my country ... so perhaps they don't actually have a particularly high bar on employment there.
I could understand if CBP objected to me importing some on entry from the UK - they could at a stretch be thought to contain fruit - hence I always buy locally, but what I have leftover I take on to my next US destination after running.
That this should happen is simply outrageous, but maybe it's not a co-incidence that the TSA at Philly also provided me with my greatest moment of amusement, where the TSA associate checked my British passport, complimented me on my grasp of English, then asked what language I spoke in my country ... so perhaps they don't actually have a particularly high bar on employment there.
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Just like Edmond Dantès, I would make it my life's mission to see to it that the TSOs, police, and any other government official involved paid dearly for this egregious and flagrantly unconstitutional, unlawful, and immoral act; not just for my sake, but for all the others who will also face these same troglodytes in the future.
#28
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I'd like to think that outrage over this type of TSA incident is one of the few things that Red staters and Blue staters can agree on, which is why it's so shocking that nothing has been done to reform this organisation.
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#30
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Didn't Phil Mocek's run in with TSA involve TSA employees giving false witness statements also?
http://www.papersplease.org/wp/mocek/
http://www.papersplease.org/wp/mocek/