TSA Stumped by Nobel Prize
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On the other hand, you've made a grossly invasive, ineffective, and inefficient technology your primary screening mechanism, created a two-tiered screening system in which wealthy and elite passengers can for the most part bypass that screening mechanism, and perform many, many more thousands of physical searches than you used to because your primary screening mechanism is so spectacularly useless it alarms on things like ostomy bags, bandages, and zippers.
I know, I know, you're going to wind yourself up and start going on and on about how that shows how EFFECTIVE the scanners are, because you don't actually know what the word "effective" means, so before you do that answer me these questions:
How many passengers have been left covered in their own urine thanks to the implementation of nude body scanners?
Now, how many explosive devices have ever been detected thanks to the implementation of nude body scanners?
Finally, which number is greater?
I know, I know, you're going to wind yourself up and start going on and on about how that shows how EFFECTIVE the scanners are, because you don't actually know what the word "effective" means, so before you do that answer me these questions:
How many passengers have been left covered in their own urine thanks to the implementation of nude body scanners?
Now, how many explosive devices have ever been detected thanks to the implementation of nude body scanners?
Finally, which number is greater?
I will simply say that the AIT system gives TSA a better chance to discover non-metallic items, in addition to discovering metallic items - the WTMD only finds metal items. The most dangerous item to an airplane in the air, is an explosion (at least for the purpose of this discussion), and while there are explosive substances that have metallic implements and elements, most explosives do not have metal as a primary component in large quantities. So, AIT finds items that are non-metallic where the WTMD does not.
Of course, when I go through the checkpoints, I am open, friendly and smile a lot - 99 times out of a hundred, when I smile at the folks working those checkpoints, I get the same back . My last time through DFW I had some some TSOs suggest the better place to eat down in the gate areas. I have literally had zero problems in a checkpoint since I began traveling by air at the age of 18 (which was many summers ago...) and that includes several airports outside of the United States.
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I would ask why the TSA apparently refuses to study the numbers and kinds of false alarms generated by AIT as the GAO has requested. Is it because TSA does not want to publicize the fact that the machines alarm on pleats, sweat, zippers, tissues, etc. because to do so would once again put on public display the agency's gross inefficiency?
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Except that in relative terms, we are light years ahead of when I started. Even with our generalized disagreements on policy (and there are probably fewer of those than you think), the standardization process for many things is greatly improved from the beginning. We have developed streamlined programs for addressing items, adjusted the flow of the checkpoints and baggage systems, incorporated more "hands off" inline systems for baggage areas - and too many more to rattle off here. We have developed more screening protocols to help tailor them to individual needs and HQ consults with more stakeholders and representative groups of passengers to make certain that they at least hear the concerns of these groups. I understand that not all locations are ideal (and that some are in fact terrible based upon the printed commentary I see on them), not all TSOs follow the SOP and are professional and courteous - but the standards are much better now than they were, even if I want them to be light years ahead of where we are now.
I appreciate the giving of credit, it makes me feel good, thank you.
I appreciate the giving of credit, it makes me feel good, thank you.
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I'm willing to accept your assessment that your "back end" operations are light years ahead of where they were. The problem is that your front-facing ops - with the exception of PreCheck at airports where is it physically separate from the regular screening lanes - aren't materially different from what they were a decade ago. Your colleagues are still barking at passengers, and as others have noted, you employ grossly invasive, ineffective, and inefficient technology your primary screening mechanism - carried out in far too many cases by surly employees with chips on their shoulders.
I will have to come down on the side of the AIT simply because it has a better chance of catching non-metallic items, such as explosives - of course, I hate the LAG ban with a bleeding passion, so I am a bag of contradictions according to some of my co-workers. I am unable to argue much on that point because I try to stick to things I can post links for (you know, running afoul of non disclosure or SSI regulations can be detrimental to my continued employment!). So here is a list of information TSA has put out, and then I will bow out of this particular part of the discussion...
http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-informat...ing-technology
http://www.tsa.gov/ait-how-it-works
http://www.tsa.gov/ait-frequently-asked-questions
Please keep in mind the list of airports with AIT may be not comprehensive on the FAQ page. (A request for clarification has been sent to HQ to see if we are in fact missing one.)
**After reviewing, and speaking with some folks, the list is actually up to date - I simply miscounted.**
Surly TSOs (or other employees) are one of my pet peeves - I was at work the day when a very close family member passed away, and I was running break-neck speed to get out of the airport to get to family and still gave polite directions to someone. Now, I do not necessarily expect that from everyone, but I do expect them to be professional and follow the SOP every single day. It is written in the job description, and those that can not be professional, should not be here.
Last edited by gsoltso; Oct 24, 2014 at 10:43 am Reason: Rewrite and then add new info.
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And just to refresh your memory on travelers left covered in their own urine thanks to the actions of your agency and your fellow screening clerks:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tsa-pat-...ered-in-urine/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40291856/n...covered-urine/
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And just to refresh your memory on travelers left covered in their own urine thanks to the actions of your agency and your fellow screening clerks:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tsa-pat-...ered-in-urine/
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40291856/n...covered-urine/
Separate links about the same incident do not make it multiple incidents.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ticle-1.157609
So technically, that's only "one" traveler, but it happened to him twice.
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I will forgive pontifex for posting the wrong link: it turns out that this same person was left covered in his urine on two separate incidents. Here's a link to an article describing the second event:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ticle-1.157609
So technically, that's only "one" traveler, but it happened to him twice.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ticle-1.157609
So technically, that's only "one" traveler, but it happened to him twice.