Community
Wiki Posts
Search

German passports to allow M, F, or X sex.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 7, 2016, 3:52 am
  #76  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Originally Posted by GUWonder
US litigation to try to push the USG to come to a more sensible position:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...r-than-m-or-f/

The government shouldn't require that free persons applying for a passport lie on an application in order to have a chance to get a passport to which they are otherwise entitled.
The US State Department has asked for the lawsuit to be dismissed.

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2016...enial-lawsuit/
GUWonder is offline  
Old Apr 7, 2016, 4:20 am
  #77  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: London (UK), Rome (Italy)
Programs: BA, Hilton, Lufthansa, Skywards, Sofitel, IHG
Posts: 94
Intersex and transgender

These 2 terms mean different things but have shared implications for gender markers on passports etc. I agree with other posters that the binary options are restrictive and should be removed altogether. Some hotels don't have a title (Mr, Mrs, Ms etc) any more on bookings, but they seem to have one on their screens! This is a bit anomalous!
ElleBeeTee is offline  
Old Apr 7, 2016, 4:25 am
  #78  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: London (UK), Rome (Italy)
Programs: BA, Hilton, Lufthansa, Skywards, Sofitel, IHG
Posts: 94
Extra comment: Germany not the first to do this. I think New Zealand and some others already.
ElleBeeTee is offline  
Old Apr 7, 2016, 7:59 am
  #79  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Originally Posted by ElleBeeTee
Extra comment: Germany not the first to do this. I think New Zealand and some others already.
From the article which was linked above today:

Australia, India and New Zealand are among the countries that issue passports without gender markers. The International Civil Aviation Organization, a U.N. agency that establishes standards for international travel documents, recognizes the X gender marker.
I'm not sure if the article is claiming that the passports don't allow for an X in the sex field on them, or if the article is claiming they don't have a sex field on them.

But Germany is not alone, whether or not it was the first.
GUWonder is offline  
Old Apr 7, 2016, 8:07 am
  #80  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: YOW
Programs: AC-SE100K MM, BA-S HH-D, MB-G LT Sil, IHG-Plt, Nexus, Global Entry
Posts: 3,809
According to the article, the State Department will only issue passports with a M or F. The US does not permit X to be used even though international standards allow it.

The US is not the only country applying a similar policy, but that does not make it correct, or defensible.
--
13F
Seat13F_AC_CRJ is offline  
Old Apr 7, 2016, 8:19 am
  #81  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Originally Posted by Seat13F_AC_CRJ
According to the article, the State Department will only issue passports with a M or F. The US does not permit X to be used even though international standards allow it.

The US is not the only country applying a similar policy, but that does not make it correct, or defensible.
--
13F
The US State Department only permits M or F on US passports, thus someone sued in order to have an X option.

The US State Department some years back (under the prior US Secretary of State) made it easier for people to change the sex marker on passports between M and F, but we're still in a situation where people are pushed into binary categories when diversity of human beings is normal and that includes not everyone fitting into false binary categories.
GUWonder is offline  
Old Apr 7, 2016, 9:05 am
  #82  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: YOW
Programs: AC-SE100K MM, BA-S HH-D, MB-G LT Sil, IHG-Plt, Nexus, Global Entry
Posts: 3,809
Originally Posted by GUWonder
The US State Department only permits M or F on US passports, thus someone sued in order to have an X option.

The US State Department some years back (under the prior US Secretary of State) made it easier for people to change the sex marker on passports between M and F, but we're still in a situation where people are pushed into binary categories when diversity of human beings is normal and that includes not everyone fitting into false binary categories.
It appears that we are in vigourous agreement.
Seat13F_AC_CRJ is offline  
Old Apr 7, 2016, 1:31 pm
  #83  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: London (UK), Rome (Italy)
Programs: BA, Hilton, Lufthansa, Skywards, Sofitel, IHG
Posts: 94
Originally Posted by Seat13F_AC_CRJ
It appears that we are in vigourous agreement.
Not sure about that. Just a wee discussion.
ElleBeeTee is offline  
Old Jun 29, 2017, 1:47 pm
  #84  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Pakistan is currently issuing passports with X as a possible reference in the sex field designator. Prior to this year, the only options on Pakistani passports were M or F.
GUWonder is offline  
Old Jul 2, 2017, 12:17 am
  #85  
nrr
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: jfk area
Programs: AA platinum; 2MM AA, Delta Diamond, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 10,291
Originally Posted by GUWonder
The US State Department only permits M or F on US passports, thus someone sued in order to have an X option.

The US State Department some years back (under the prior US Secretary of State) made it easier for people to change the sex marker on passports between M and F, but we're still in a situation where people are pushed into binary categories when diversity of human beings is normal and that includes not everyone fitting into false binary categories.
When they did allow the change was there a "hefty" fee attached?
nrr is offline  
Old Jul 2, 2017, 1:02 am
  #86  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Originally Posted by nrr
When they did allow the change was there a "hefty" fee attached?
I don't recall there being any State Department fee beyond that which was applicable even for first time passport applicants who have neither sought any sex change on documents nor presented documentation about a sex change. I don't recall any publication of such a distinct State Department fee, hefty or otherwise, and I've seen long lists of fees for a whole variety of services offered by State.
GUWonder is offline  
Old Aug 26, 2017, 11:52 pm
  #87  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Canada allowing X in the sex field on Canadian passports:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/w...assport-x.html
GUWonder is offline  
Old Jan 23, 2018, 3:19 pm
  #88  
Suspended
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
The Maltese passports also now allow for X in the sex field.
GUWonder is offline  
Old Jan 23, 2018, 5:15 pm
  #89  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: YOW
Programs: AC-SE100K MM, BA-S HH-D, MB-G LT Sil, IHG-Plt, Nexus, Global Entry
Posts: 3,809
There is a pending court case in the UK which may result in a similar change in policy.
--
13F
Seat13F_AC_CRJ is offline  
Old Jan 23, 2018, 11:56 pm
  #90  
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: BNE
Programs: NZ*G, QF Bronze, VA Red
Posts: 563
Originally Posted by GUWonder
From the article which was linked above today:

I'm not sure if the article is claiming that the passports don't allow for an X in the sex field on them, or if the article is claiming they don't have a sex field on them.

But Germany is not alone, whether or not it was the first.
Not sure what the article is claiming, but I can say for certain that Australia and New Zealand do still require a gender marker, just that it's "M", "F", or "X".

Of course if it's X you're basically screwed using the US Visa Waiver Program as ESTA only allows "Male" or "Female" and all details must match the passport.
kyanar is offline  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.