Have you ever seen TSA workers outside of the airport?
Aug 13, 2012, 4:58 am
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Wrong. The "bad apples" would create false reports to get rid of the "good apples" (if indeed there are any in the festering pustulent swamp of moral decay we currently call "the TSA.")
Then the corrupt managers would fire the "good apples" based on those false reports.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The TSA is beyond redemption. It needs to be abolished.
Then the corrupt managers would fire the "good apples" based on those false reports.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The TSA is beyond redemption. It needs to be abolished.
Aug 13, 2012, 5:25 am
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You can't blame the managers for everything. A huge reason for the toleration of "bad apples" within the federal workforce is due to personnel policies and regulations which make it almost impossible to fire a federal employee after they have completed their probationary employment period.
Aug 13, 2012, 7:07 am
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Wow -- On one hand, imagine getting groped by this guy?
On the other hand, he really needs some sort of intervention and discipline in his food intake if he plans to be vertical and above room temperature into middle age. I sincerely hope he has a wake-up call very soon.
On the other, other hand, I wonder how he got the job in the first place? On can presume he ate the box right along with the pizza.
On the other hand, he really needs some sort of intervention and discipline in his food intake if he plans to be vertical and above room temperature into middle age. I sincerely hope he has a wake-up call very soon.
On the other, other hand, I wonder how he got the job in the first place? On can presume he ate the box right along with the pizza.
Aug 13, 2012, 8:40 am
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You can't blame the managers for everything. A huge reason for the toleration of "bad apples" within the federal workforce is due to personnel policies and regulations which make it almost impossible to fire a federal employee after they have completed their probationary employment period.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._webtsa01.html
Rep Mike Rogers, chairman of the House Homeland Security Transportation subcommittee "responded positively when told the TSA had started immediately firing employees caught stealing, using drugs or failing to screen passengers and luggage.
"That's a new development. I'm glad to hear that," Rogers said."
Of course, even if that's done, it won't matter if they keep reinstating 'bad apples' - like the HNL manager who has been re-instated twice now (two separate incidents) on appeal, with back pay and a promotion. Or Minetta Walters, BDO, who was dismissed and re-hired.
Aug 13, 2012, 8:44 am
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You can't blame the managers for everything. A huge reason for the toleration of "bad apples" within the federal workforce is due to personnel policies and regulations which make it almost impossible to fire a federal employee after they have completed their probationary employment period.
Managers have to be willing to invest the time to get rid of the bad apples. This usually interferes with their numerous coffee, ,smoke, and extended lunch breaks.
Aug 13, 2012, 8:47 am
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You can't blame the managers for everything. A huge reason for the toleration of "bad apples" within the federal workforce is due to personnel policies and regulations which make it almost impossible to fire a federal employee after they have completed their probationary employment period.
Aug 13, 2012, 2:43 pm
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Back in 2010 I had dinner at an Outback Steakhouse, and the folks at the next table were close enough that I could hear their whole conversation without eavesdropping. It was a TSO and her mother, having a nice social dinner together. When I realized that she was a TSO, I stuck up a civil conversation with her and found out that she was an LTSO from DCA. We particularly discussed the despicable violations of scope and grope, which were still fairly new at the time. I shot down every argument she made - in a polite, friendly, non-confrontational manner, using info I've learned from FT. I never mentioned FT, however; I have heard that some TSOs recognize the site's name and immediately get confrontational when they find out you're a member here, and I didn't want to test that.
It turned out to be a pleasant encounter. I don't think I convinced her of anything; she was most definitely an AFS type. But I think I may have made her think a little more analytically about the carp she was being asked to foist upon the innocent traveler, and maybe that was the beginning of wisdom for her. We can only hope.
It turned out to be a pleasant encounter. I don't think I convinced her of anything; she was most definitely an AFS type. But I think I may have made her think a little more analytically about the carp she was being asked to foist upon the innocent traveler, and maybe that was the beginning of wisdom for her. We can only hope.
Aug 14, 2012, 3:06 am
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Supposedly that has all changed now...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._webtsa01.html
Rep Mike Rogers, chairman of the House Homeland Security Transportation subcommittee "responded positively when told the TSA had started immediately firing employees caught stealing, using drugs or failing to screen passengers and luggage.
"That's a new development. I'm glad to hear that," Rogers said."
Of course, even if that's done, it won't matter if they keep reinstating 'bad apples' - like the HNL manager who has been re-instated twice now (two separate incidents) on appeal, with back pay and a promotion. Or Minetta Walters, BDO, who was dismissed and re-hired.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._webtsa01.html
Rep Mike Rogers, chairman of the House Homeland Security Transportation subcommittee "responded positively when told the TSA had started immediately firing employees caught stealing, using drugs or failing to screen passengers and luggage.
"That's a new development. I'm glad to hear that," Rogers said."
Of course, even if that's done, it won't matter if they keep reinstating 'bad apples' - like the HNL manager who has been re-instated twice now (two separate incidents) on appeal, with back pay and a promotion. Or Minetta Walters, BDO, who was dismissed and re-hired.
Aug 14, 2012, 5:41 am
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Here's another example. If you are a med tech in the private sector and you make multiple patient ID errors, you're gone in a week. If your a med tech in the federal government and you make multiple patient ID errors while in your probationary period, it takes four months to fire you. When you a pharmacy tech in the federal government and you are caught stealing controlled substances, you appeal, spend 8 months answering the phone, and then win your job back with the only restriction being you can't handle narcotics.
When you've spent time in management and have a clue what you're talking about, come back and we'll have a rational discussion.
Aug 14, 2012, 8:21 am
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Did you mean Minetta Walker?
Aug 14, 2012, 9:20 am
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You have no idea what you are talking about. We had an employee threaten another employee with bodily harm in the workplace - among other issues - and it took one year of massive management-level effort to get her terminated. The only reason HR finally gave in is that the FBI came to us with evidence of an additional"off-duty" crime.
Here's another example. If you are a med tech in the private sector and you make multiple patient ID errors, you're gone in a week. If your a med tech in the federal government and you make multiple patient ID errors while in your probationary period, it takes four months to fire you. When you a pharmacy tech in the federal government and you are caught stealing controlled substances, you appeal, spend 8 months answering the phone, and then win your job back with the only restriction being you can't handle narcotics.
When you've spent time in management and have a clue what you're talking about, come back and we'll have a rational discussion.
Here's another example. If you are a med tech in the private sector and you make multiple patient ID errors, you're gone in a week. If your a med tech in the federal government and you make multiple patient ID errors while in your probationary period, it takes four months to fire you. When you a pharmacy tech in the federal government and you are caught stealing controlled substances, you appeal, spend 8 months answering the phone, and then win your job back with the only restriction being you can't handle narcotics.
When you've spent time in management and have a clue what you're talking about, come back and we'll have a rational discussion.
Aside from that, I would like to know how many of those who are actually suspended or termninated appeal and are reinstated - with back pay, and in the case of the HNL supervisor, given a promotion (he's been rehired twice).
I agree it can be a real time-consuming headache, and it is critical to cross all t's and dot all the i's, but particularly in the case of TSA, I have to ask: what, exactly, is their management doing otherwise?
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Aug 14, 2012, 9:30 am
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Did you mean Minetta Walker?