Visa applications that ask for religious affiliation
Feb 27, 2013, 11:24 am
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I work getting visas for pilots. I am quite familiar with the Saudi application. On the application the answer for religious affiliation is either "MOSLEM" or other. We believe the issue with this is if you are indeed a "MOSLEM" you will then be subject to the religious police more so than if you were simply "other"
India is another country that asks for the applicant's religion. You can choose other and NA as a response to the question.
India is another country that asks for the applicant's religion. You can choose other and NA as a response to the question.
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Feb 27, 2013, 3:53 pm
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I work getting visas for pilots. I am quite familiar with the Saudi application. On the application the answer for religious affiliation is either "MOSLEM" or other. We believe the issue with this is if you are indeed a "MOSLEM" you will then be subject to the religious police more so than if you were simply "other"
I'm a bit confused by your assertion, since the Muta'waa aren't hanging out at passport control at King Khalid; they're far too busy running around like whirling dervishes at the Faisaliah Center on Olaayya screaming at women, mostly us heathen and wanton Westeners, to cover our hair.
I think I saw Muta'waa at KKIA twice in three years - and when I lived in KSA I had status on BA, so I flew a lot.
Feb 28, 2013, 6:17 am
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That matches my experience. They don't ask tourists, they ask for residency visas. Even though I don't consider myself anything, I wrote Christian on the form. Middle eastern customs is not the place to stand up on principle. Muslim employees get a few benefits that non-Muslims don't. The biggest one is a one in a lifetime ten or fifteen Haj leave.
Feb 28, 2013, 12:29 pm
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If only that were the case.
I rest assured that for those destinations where this is a part of the visa application form for business and/or tourist visitors, the demand for the information is generally not arising out of a bureaucrat's (or statistician's) benevolent interest in generating data about the demographic background of tourists in the aggregate. Rather it is more about the following: "security" paranoia. That and figuring out when/if/how (not) to grant a visa (if any) to the applicant -- a determination made based on an individual applicant's ethnic and/or religious affiliation(s) -- and to figure out who to target/tail upon arrival in the country (even if granted a visa).
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For example, one such country that has forms that include a religion field on visa applications: India. Natural-born US citizens of exclusively Indian ethnic origins (or perceived to be of such ethnic backgrounds) but applying for an Indian visa are more likely to be given problems (or additional document handover requirements) by the Indian government when applying for an Indian visa than the ethnic Polish-American spouse of such an Indian-American applicant.
I rest assured that for those destinations where this is a part of the visa application form for business and/or tourist visitors, the demand for the information is generally not arising out of a bureaucrat's (or statistician's) benevolent interest in generating data about the demographic background of tourists in the aggregate. Rather it is more about the following: "security" paranoia. That and figuring out when/if/how (not) to grant a visa (if any) to the applicant -- a determination made based on an individual applicant's ethnic and/or religious affiliation(s) -- and to figure out who to target/tail upon arrival in the country (even if granted a visa).
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For example, one such country that has forms that include a religion field on visa applications: India. Natural-born US citizens of exclusively Indian ethnic origins (or perceived to be of such ethnic backgrounds) but applying for an Indian visa are more likely to be given problems (or additional document handover requirements) by the Indian government when applying for an Indian visa than the ethnic Polish-American spouse of such an Indian-American applicant.
As well as the "usual"questions, the form requires you to give the names and place of birth of your parents.
I'm agnostic. However, I declared my religion as "Christian" for the purposes of the application. My intent was to not raise any red flags or delay granting of the visa.
I got the visa!
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Feb 28, 2013, 10:16 pm
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Ironic this thread was bumped today. I submitted a KSA Business Visa application today, and I filled the application three times.
First time I answered how I answer at my doctor's office and at the hospital: Jedi. My office's travel guy who reviewed the app objected, so I filled out another one.
Second time i answered how I answer when someone pushes me: Atheist. The travel guy objected again.
Finally I said f!!! it, and I answered Christian-Roman Catholic. i was baptized and received my first communion, but was never confirmed, so I sort of count. He accepted this one.
Hopefully the embassy is ok with this.
First time I answered how I answer at my doctor's office and at the hospital: Jedi. My office's travel guy who reviewed the app objected, so I filled out another one.
Second time i answered how I answer when someone pushes me: Atheist. The travel guy objected again.
Finally I said f!!! it, and I answered Christian-Roman Catholic. i was baptized and received my first communion, but was never confirmed, so I sort of count. He accepted this one.
Hopefully the embassy is ok with this.
Mar 1, 2013, 11:45 am
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For those who travel to Middle East a lot, it is a well-known fact that putting "atheist" or "agnostic" on a visa application is not a good idea. Basically, it would be like putting word "godless" which is much worse than Christianity or even Judaism in the eyes of many Muslims.
I agree with those who recommended not to stand you principles when it comes to Middle East, especially if one has a rather limited experience with it.
I agree with those who recommended not to stand you principles when it comes to Middle East, especially if one has a rather limited experience with it.
Mar 2, 2013, 4:51 am
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Whatever about religion, Nigeria asks you to declare your hair colour on visa applications and has no option for blonde or red...
Mar 3, 2013, 8:18 am
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I am an atheist and proud of it. Atheists are statistically the least probable persons to commit crimes (proportions of atheist felons are much lower than proportions of atheists in the general community). If a country denies me entry on my religious beliefs (or lack of), I won´t visit them.
Mar 6, 2013, 11:25 pm
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For those who travel to Middle East a lot, it is a well-known fact that putting "atheist" or "agnostic" on a visa application is not a good idea. Basically, it would be like putting word "godless" which is much worse than Christianity or even Judaism in the eyes of many Muslims.
I agree with those who recommended not to stand you principles when it comes to Middle East, especially if one has a rather limited experience with it.
I agree with those who recommended not to stand you principles when it comes to Middle East, especially if one has a rather limited experience with it.
Mar 8, 2013, 9:54 pm
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Working with the Saudi Consulate in Houston they flat out told us several times our people should all put Christian (save for the one Sunni in the group).
At the Embassy in D.C. they didn't seem to care.
But of course YMMV
