Congress Set To Revoke Passports For IRS Tax Debt
Feb 14, 2017, 7:17 am
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Well that could be because the cert isn't going info effect for 30 days. Given some of the horror stories we heard w/ the travel ban, for those w/ legit visas & documentation being taken, it wouldn't surprise me if CBP took passports from those who weren't seeking DofS help.
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Feb 14, 2017, 7:25 am
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Well that could be because the cert isn't going info effect for 30 days. Given some of the horror stories we heard w/ the travel ban, for those w/ legit visas & documentation being taken, it wouldn't surprise me if CBP took passports from those who weren't seeking DofS help.
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Feb 14, 2017, 1:11 pm
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IIRC, the US first started going after money from Americans outside of the US, for those with no US income, back when the government needed American conscripts for war. But not before 1860. Sometime after 1860, the situation starts to get increasingly complicated for Americans abroad who have already traveled out of the US to even settle outside of the US.
The federal income tax was a direct result of the temperance movement positioning the US for Prohibition and to compensate for the greatly reduced excise taxes on liquor.
Feb 14, 2017, 1:30 pm
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All I remember about this is that it was originally designed to go after folk who were trying to hide off-shore accounts/$$ (think drug cartels etc) & even the gov't agency who did the original report said it would probably only bring in not that much $$ per year. $10 million, 30 million/year? Instead it was expanded & probably won't affect the people it was designed for, but will screw up everyday folk.
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Feb 14, 2017, 1:49 pm
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https://apps.irs.gov/app/understandi...hm02_les03.jsp
We had a federal income tax for most of the 1860s, and it went after US citizens abroad too.
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Feb 14, 2017, 2:01 pm
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All I remember about this is that it was originally designed to go after folk who were trying to hide off-shore accounts/$$ (think drug cartels etc) & even the gov't agency who did the original report said it would probably only bring in not that much $$ per year. $10 million, 30 million/year? Instead it was expanded & probably won't affect the people it was designed for, but will screw up everyday folk.
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Feb 16, 2017, 4:55 pm
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It was put in place with an expectation to raise less than $50 million/year for ten years -- as part of a congressional budget game -- but I doubt it will raise even half of that. This passport ban is indeed more likely to hit people who are not able to pay or to even dispute questionable debt claims than it is to hit fatcats or criminals.
https://www.irs.gov/uac/newsroom/off...osure-programs
Feb 16, 2017, 11:03 pm
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Isn't this requirement actually an extension of, or application of, FACTA? I believe it is discussed well up-thread (but it might be another thread) that this effort to rein in the undeclared overseas accounts and resultant tax obligations has actually brought in many thousands of millions in taxes, fines and settlements.
https://www.irs.gov/uac/newsroom/off...osure-programs
https://www.irs.gov/uac/newsroom/off...osure-programs
The passport denial/revocation under FAST -- not FATCA -- was done with an expectation of raising less than $50 million per year over the next ten years of its implementation. FATCA was done with an expectation of raising huge amounts of money, as FATCA has. Very different.
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Feb 27, 2017, 2:02 pm
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There's some buzz about the IRS certification starting in March sometime. That means the freedom to travel internationally will be undermined at that point since the State Department is already set to act.
Mar 18, 2017, 1:33 am
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Whenever things are in place for the IRS to do the certification of "seriously delinquent" "taxpayers", this link will likely be updated to note it has commenced:
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small...n-unpaid-taxes
For now it reads:
It's been reading this way since some time before February 27, 2017 but after the start of this year.
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small...n-unpaid-taxes
For now it reads:
Originally Posted by IRS.gov
The IRS has not yet started certifying tax debt to the State Department. Certifications to the State Department will begin in early 2017, and this webpage will be updated to indicate when this process has been implemented. The information presented here is for informational purposes only.
Mar 20, 2017, 4:36 pm
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Effective March 27th, the ability of US taxpayers to get an offer in compromise (OIC) with the IRS is being further curtailed. Having an accepted OIC was to be one of the ways for US nationals/citizens to avoid getting certified for passport denial/revocation.
Mar 20, 2017, 5:53 pm
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Mar 20, 2017, 6:03 pm
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I wish I knew what was going on from the IRS/Treasury's side with the timing of this, but it almost seems like this kind of thing may be done to try to make this provision in the law have a better chance of collecting as much money as the government claimed it would raise.
Mar 31, 2017, 3:04 am
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Watch out for some in Congress pushing to lower the trigger (to lose passport rights) from $50,000 down to perhaps as low as $2500-$5000. It's making the rounds amongst some looking at infrastructure budgeting and tax reform with some saying if $2500 works for child support claims, then it should work for other purposes too. This is far removed from getting into legislation at this point, but these kind of things end up being like zombies that just refuse to die.
Mar 31, 2017, 8:51 am
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Watch out for some in Congress pushing to lower the trigger (to lose passport rights) from $50,000 down to perhaps as low as $2500-$5000. It's making the rounds amongst some looking at infrastructure budgeting and tax reform with some saying if $2500 works for child support claims, then it should work for other purposes too. This is far removed from getting into legislation at this point, but these kind of things end up being like zombies that just refuse to die.
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