9-11-11 Frontier flight from SAN through DEN met by police in DTW (Detroit)
Sep 13, 2011, 9:47 am
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My speculation ... nothing would be different, except for an even longer delay while a lawyer was found and brought to her. A multi-hour experience could've turned into a multi-day experience.
Sep 13, 2011, 10:27 am
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Anybody have contacts at 60 Minutes? Now that it's NFL season, they are likely to have a bigger audience because they are on right after the late game on the East Coast.
Sep 13, 2011, 10:28 am
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If you have any contact with her, please make sure she knows how many people are outraged at what happened, and perhaps gently urge her to seek counsel as to any possible means of seeking justice whether it's through the courts or through publicly naming and shaming her accusers and captors.
If she set up a legal defense fund (well I guess technically it would be an offense fund since she would be the plaintiff), I think she'd accumulate quite a bit.
If she set up a legal defense fund (well I guess technically it would be an offense fund since she would be the plaintiff), I think she'd accumulate quite a bit.
Sep 13, 2011, 10:46 am
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Yeah, just what she wants right now, more strangers trying to touch her.
She was violated in about every way you can think of by the airline, law enforcement, and DHS. In today's world, though, mentioning 9/11 means never having to say you're sorry.
She was violated in about every way you can think of by the airline, law enforcement, and DHS. In today's world, though, mentioning 9/11 means never having to say you're sorry.
Sep 13, 2011, 10:51 am
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I'm not defending them understand, but lets put the blame squarely where it belongs. There are certainly enough idiots to share it.
Sep 13, 2011, 11:40 am
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I hope this story makes it to a much wider audience and that F9 takes a huge PR hit for this. In addition, this woman could present her story on TV and raise a stink about it. If anything, she could show how SS,SS can get disastrously out of hand. She didn't even have any interaction with the gentlemen sitting next to her until the flight landed, so should we now be concerned about who's sitting next to us in case some Chicken Little gets spooked about our seatmate?
Sep 13, 2011, 11:56 am
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Does DHS/TSA have anything to do with this? Or was it local cops (Wayne County Airport Authority)?
SS/SS has been mentioned, but lets not forget the roots of the daily hysteria: Janet Napoleonitano and her henchman, John Pistole have been screaming from the roof tops, that there are credible, unconfirmed, reports of terrorists, likely three either in the country or coming to the country to rape, pillage and plunder Americans, or do other evil things.
Psychology of terror: Create a climate of uncertainty. Create an atmosphere of distrust and suspicion. Encourage normally rational people to look for things that may not be there. Do all this using a highly distorted kernel of truth. Then sit back and let others pounce.
Yes, I blame DHS and TSA. And the cabin crew, and the airline, and Boeing for putting three seats together in an airplane, so the unconfirmed three could sit together and be suspicious.
PS. And they're still doing it: Terror Attack Threat Is 'Ongoing,' Napolitano Says
SS/SS has been mentioned, but lets not forget the roots of the daily hysteria: Janet Napoleonitano and her henchman, John Pistole have been screaming from the roof tops, that there are credible, unconfirmed, reports of terrorists, likely three either in the country or coming to the country to rape, pillage and plunder Americans, or do other evil things.
Psychology of terror: Create a climate of uncertainty. Create an atmosphere of distrust and suspicion. Encourage normally rational people to look for things that may not be there. Do all this using a highly distorted kernel of truth. Then sit back and let others pounce.
Yes, I blame DHS and TSA. And the cabin crew, and the airline, and Boeing for putting three seats together in an airplane, so the unconfirmed three could sit together and be suspicious.
PS. And they're still doing it: Terror Attack Threat Is 'Ongoing,' Napolitano Says
Sep 13, 2011, 1:04 pm
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F9 Has A Lot Of 'Splainin' To Do
A story from one of the detainees from F9 623.
I'm too outraged to comment on this. I think Ms. Shebshi's blog speaks for itself, and is a sad commentary on a number of issues troubling our country.
I'm too outraged to comment on this. I think Ms. Shebshi's blog speaks for itself, and is a sad commentary on a number of issues troubling our country.
Sep 13, 2011, 1:22 pm
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A story from one of the detainees from F9 623.
I'm too outraged to comment on this. I think Ms. Shebshi's blog speaks for itself, and is a sad commentary on a number of issues troubling our country.
I'm too outraged to comment on this. I think Ms. Shebshi's blog speaks for itself, and is a sad commentary on a number of issues troubling our country.
As usual before and still, those who imagine they are the "good citizen" go -- with "allies" -- after the "bad". Same as before, and same as now, the "good" really aren't that good, especially when it's xenophobia in play.
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Sep 13, 2011, 1:30 pm
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In sequence:
1. Cabin crew (I don't think there was a passenger rat ?)
2. Captain
3. Police for playing "SWAT"
4. FBI for not releasing the detainees sooner if not immediately.
As posted in the other thread, all it would have taken was one rational person to have simply said "let's not panic" and had a quiet discussion with the parties. Of course it is virtually impossible to find anyone at an airport whose first instinct is not to panic.
Naturally. To say otherwise would be to admit to a mistake and/or fear-mongering. Big Sis does not make mistakes, nor is she a fear-mongerer. Just ask her.
1. Cabin crew (I don't think there was a passenger rat ?)
2. Captain
3. Police for playing "SWAT"
4. FBI for not releasing the detainees sooner if not immediately.
As posted in the other thread, all it would have taken was one rational person to have simply said "let's not panic" and had a quiet discussion with the parties. Of course it is virtually impossible to find anyone at an airport whose first instinct is not to panic.
PS. And they're still doing it: Terror Attack Threat Is 'Ongoing,' Napolitano Says
Sep 13, 2011, 1:49 pm
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Consistency is the hobgoblin...
FBI Detroit spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said ultimately authorities determined there was no real threat.
"Due to the anniversary of Sept. 11, all precautions were taken, and any slight inconsistency was taken seriously," Berchtold said. "The public would rather us err on the side of caution than not."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...gers-detained/
FBI Detroit spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said ultimately authorities determined there was no real threat.
"Due to the anniversary of Sept. 11, all precautions were taken, and any slight inconsistency was taken seriously," Berchtold said. "The public would rather us err on the side of caution than not."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...gers-detained/
Sep 13, 2011, 1:57 pm
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The FBI statement.
What are the suspects -- I mean passengers -- supposed to do when surrounded by heavily armed cops? Run away down the tarmac?
They were questioned by the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force and were very cooperative.
Sep 13, 2011, 2:05 pm
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Sep 13, 2011, 2:07 pm
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The FBI statement.
The three individuals were strangers to each other, but sat in the same row on the plane. One of the males, who was not feeling well, got up to use the restroom during the flight. The other male got up at approximately the same time to use the restroom. The female remained seated in her row. It should be noted that at no time were there ever two people in the bathroom at the same time, and at no time were the three individuals uncooperative with the flight crew.
Sep 13, 2011, 2:11 pm
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This incident is incredible scary.
I can now be strip-searched and detained in a jail cell because of the paranoia of fellow passengers against my seatmates.
The national anthem needs to be amended to reflect the America of 2011.
I can now be strip-searched and detained in a jail cell because of the paranoia of fellow passengers against my seatmates.
The national anthem needs to be amended to reflect the America of 2011.
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O’er the landof the free and the home of the brave?
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O’er the land