TSA agent threatens woman with defamation lawsuit.
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I have no experience pool to draw from regarding this type of situation, so I can't comment from an experience POV, but opinion wise - I do not know. TSA would (from a logical pov) not disclose SSI, and would not "back" the TSO in a civil suit. The logical position for TSA to take is one of neutrality, since this would be a civil suit. They may make video available at the request of the plaintiff or defense, but I don't see how TSA could actively participate in a civil suit.
In a criminal situation, I think it would be a bit different, and as long as the TSO operated according to the SOP, they would back them to the best of their ability. Again, they will not disclose SSI, but I would think they would go as far as they could in supporting a criminal case (such as assault or battery of a TSO by a passenger, etc).
In a criminal situation, I think it would be a bit different, and as long as the TSO operated according to the SOP, they would back them to the best of their ability. Again, they will not disclose SSI, but I would think they would go as far as they could in supporting a criminal case (such as assault or battery of a TSO by a passenger, etc).
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Not a treasure trove there...
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This story was just addressed on Fox and Friends. The Judge (Napolitano) was supportive of the bloggers right to say what she wanted about her treatment at the CP.
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Agreed, not a treasure trove, but enough of an example to any other government airport clerk that this crap never gets tried again. Which is the entire point.
You have no constitutional right not to be butt-hurt. Especially if you're a government employee that gets off on prison guard fantasies.
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Actually Bruce, I've read in a couple of the blog posts that there is a law in California stating that the person who brings a frivolous civil suit can be held responsible for attorney fees for both sides. I don't have a link handy (damned work filters) but I'm sure someone will be able to provide one.
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In Massachusetts any time a TSO makes unwanted genital contact it is a clearcut crime known as Indecent Assault. The maximum sentence is 5-10 years in State Prison depending on the age of the victim. It doesn't require any sexual motive. It's the act not the state of mind of the actor that is relevant. So why is it that no BOS TSOs are sitting in state prison here? I think we all know why:
1. No DA is going to take the case. He will see it as the TSO doing his job. He would see any attempt at prosecuting a TSO for doing his job as a state challenge to the federal government which is a can of worms he is not interested in opening even if he is sympathetic with the victim (imagine say a 10 year old girl who was treated so roughly that her hymen was ruptured leading to a bloody crotch right on video).
2. The TSO would argue that they are just doing their job, following protocol in accordance with their federal mandate. The argument would be that it is not Indecent Assault because as TSOs they are permitted to touch people's 'resistance' despite the fact that it would land anyone else in jail here.
So let's say that the next time I fly out of BOS I submit to the genital rubdown and then call the police and accuse the TSO of Indecent Assault (touching my pee pee). I contact a lawyer and he informs me that nothing is going to happen for the above two reasons. I go public with a video of the TSO stroking and karate chopping my resistance and post his full name on various web sites (and maybe even his home address and telephone number). The TSO sues me for libel (or whatever).
In order to be libel, my accusations have to be false. TSO claims that the accusations are false because he is allowed to touch my genitals. So it cannot be indecent assault (faulty logic but what do you expect?). It is part of the standard procedure for his federal agency which explicitly lists touching 'resistance' or 'the inner thigh where it meets the torso' as part of his job. He could claim that if he hadn't touched me all inappropriate he might have been fired for not doing his job. AFS types would be very sympathetic with this viewpoint.
So now what do you have? You have a state vs. federal issue. The feds say that the behavior is acceptable as part of the 'war on terror' whether a particular state wants to call it 'indecent assault' or not. The activist DA who dared to press charges says the actions listed in their SOP are a serious crime in his state and the fact that the feds put a criminal act in their SOP is not relevant. The feds beg to differ. The airport is federal jurisdiction. The employee works for the federal government, but is a Massachusetts resident... Ad nauseum.
I used the Massachusetts indecent assault law as an example because the conflict between federal SOP and state law is so clear cut. TSOs are constantly breaking that law. Even the one for under 13 year olds that carries a maximum 10 year prison sentence.
When Amy asked a lawyer about sexual assault charges this is the what he told her:
Now it is true that California has very lax sexual assault laws. There seems to an especially fine line in that state between sexual assault and rape. It's a state where the mere touching of a women's breasts or crotch over their clothes without permission is not against the law per se. So what the lawyer said may very well be true there. Although it is hard to believe that even a 1 inch penetration through clothes would be allowed. If it is not against the law to finger fsck a California girl through her clothes without her permission then Thedala wouldn't even need to play the 'just doing her job to keep us all safe' card.
Even that lawyer believes that the SOP is a valid defense. If the allowance of the act in the SOP means that it is neither sexual assault nor rape, then I could see how a judge might rule in favor of Thedala. It doesn't matter how hard she pressed into her vagina or how deep her hand went inside of her. What that lawyer said seems to imply that if the SOP allows it then by definition it can be neither sexual assault nor rape.
Assuming of course that the SOP really does permit it and that Thedala wasn't just acting out of lust or malice in a moment of weakness because she knew she could get away with it. While some of us would like to believe that the first amendment protects nearly all speech, I think the political/judicial reality says otherwise. If Thedala is only relying on the facts of the case to show that what Amy said is false that is one thing, but if she is relying on the allowance of her act by the SOP that is quite another. So far that seems to be the route Thedala's attorney is taking.
What if the TSA decides to allow cavity searches with full gloved finger insertions in both anal and vaginal cavities? That would certainly seem to fit the legal definition of rape in most jurisdictions, at least in the US. There wouldn't be any issue about it being through clothes or not being a deep enough penetration. It would be clear cut full depth penetration. Would the above logic not still apply? Basically, it seems that no act that is normally a sex crime is considered a sex crime when done by a TSO following SOP. So yes, the SOP matters.
1. No DA is going to take the case. He will see it as the TSO doing his job. He would see any attempt at prosecuting a TSO for doing his job as a state challenge to the federal government which is a can of worms he is not interested in opening even if he is sympathetic with the victim (imagine say a 10 year old girl who was treated so roughly that her hymen was ruptured leading to a bloody crotch right on video).
2. The TSO would argue that they are just doing their job, following protocol in accordance with their federal mandate. The argument would be that it is not Indecent Assault because as TSOs they are permitted to touch people's 'resistance' despite the fact that it would land anyone else in jail here.
So let's say that the next time I fly out of BOS I submit to the genital rubdown and then call the police and accuse the TSO of Indecent Assault (touching my pee pee). I contact a lawyer and he informs me that nothing is going to happen for the above two reasons. I go public with a video of the TSO stroking and karate chopping my resistance and post his full name on various web sites (and maybe even his home address and telephone number). The TSO sues me for libel (or whatever).
In order to be libel, my accusations have to be false. TSO claims that the accusations are false because he is allowed to touch my genitals. So it cannot be indecent assault (faulty logic but what do you expect?). It is part of the standard procedure for his federal agency which explicitly lists touching 'resistance' or 'the inner thigh where it meets the torso' as part of his job. He could claim that if he hadn't touched me all inappropriate he might have been fired for not doing his job. AFS types would be very sympathetic with this viewpoint.
So now what do you have? You have a state vs. federal issue. The feds say that the behavior is acceptable as part of the 'war on terror' whether a particular state wants to call it 'indecent assault' or not. The activist DA who dared to press charges says the actions listed in their SOP are a serious crime in his state and the fact that the feds put a criminal act in their SOP is not relevant. The feds beg to differ. The airport is federal jurisdiction. The employee works for the federal government, but is a Massachusetts resident... Ad nauseum.
I used the Massachusetts indecent assault law as an example because the conflict between federal SOP and state law is so clear cut. TSOs are constantly breaking that law. Even the one for under 13 year olds that carries a maximum 10 year prison sentence.
When Amy asked a lawyer about sexual assault charges this is the what he told her:
I think it is extremely unlikely that these pat-downs would be deemed a sexual assault, or any assault for that matter. In the first place, the person doing the pat-down would be acting according to regulations and instructions, hence on good faith ... because of the purported justification ("National security", airline safety).
Even that lawyer believes that the SOP is a valid defense. If the allowance of the act in the SOP means that it is neither sexual assault nor rape, then I could see how a judge might rule in favor of Thedala. It doesn't matter how hard she pressed into her vagina or how deep her hand went inside of her. What that lawyer said seems to imply that if the SOP allows it then by definition it can be neither sexual assault nor rape.
Assuming of course that the SOP really does permit it and that Thedala wasn't just acting out of lust or malice in a moment of weakness because she knew she could get away with it. While some of us would like to believe that the first amendment protects nearly all speech, I think the political/judicial reality says otherwise. If Thedala is only relying on the facts of the case to show that what Amy said is false that is one thing, but if she is relying on the allowance of her act by the SOP that is quite another. So far that seems to be the route Thedala's attorney is taking.
What if the TSA decides to allow cavity searches with full gloved finger insertions in both anal and vaginal cavities? That would certainly seem to fit the legal definition of rape in most jurisdictions, at least in the US. There wouldn't be any issue about it being through clothes or not being a deep enough penetration. It would be clear cut full depth penetration. Would the above logic not still apply? Basically, it seems that no act that is normally a sex crime is considered a sex crime when done by a TSO following SOP. So yes, the SOP matters.
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INDECENT ASSAULT AND BATTERY
The defendant is charged with indecent assault and battery.
Section 13H of chapter 265 of our General Laws provides as follows:
“Whoever commits an indecent assault and battery on a person who has attained age fourteen
shall be punished . . . .”
To prove the defendant guilty of this offense, the Commonwealth
must prove four things beyond a reasonable doubt:
First: That the alleged victim was at least fourteen years of age at the
time of the alleged offense;
Second: That the defendant committed an assault and battery on the
alleged victim. Assault and battery is essentially the intentional touching
of another person, without legal justification or excuse.
Third: The Commonwealth must prove beyond a reasonable doubt
that the assault and battery was “indecent” as that word is commonly
understood, measured by common understanding and practices.
An indecent act is one that is fundamentally offensive to
contemporary standards of decency. An assault and battery may
be “indecent” if it involves touching portions of the anatomy commonly
thought private, such as a person’s genital area or buttocks, or the breasts
of a female.
and Fourth: The Commonwealth must prove beyond a reasonable
doubt that the alleged victim did not consent.
The defendant is charged with indecent assault and battery.
Section 13H of chapter 265 of our General Laws provides as follows:
“Whoever commits an indecent assault and battery on a person who has attained age fourteen
shall be punished . . . .”
To prove the defendant guilty of this offense, the Commonwealth
must prove four things beyond a reasonable doubt:
First: That the alleged victim was at least fourteen years of age at the
time of the alleged offense;
Second: That the defendant committed an assault and battery on the
alleged victim. Assault and battery is essentially the intentional touching
of another person, without legal justification or excuse.
Third: The Commonwealth must prove beyond a reasonable doubt
that the assault and battery was “indecent” as that word is commonly
understood, measured by common understanding and practices.
An indecent act is one that is fundamentally offensive to
contemporary standards of decency. An assault and battery may
be “indecent” if it involves touching portions of the anatomy commonly
thought private, such as a person’s genital area or buttocks, or the breasts
of a female.
and Fourth: The Commonwealth must prove beyond a reasonable
doubt that the alleged victim did not consent.
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Plus, "frivolous" is a pretty high standard, and there are a lot of procedural hoops to jump through before sanctions are even available, including a notice and safe harbor requirement. It's not a slam-dunk by any means.