Police can detain photographers if their photo has no apparent esthetic value!
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Police can detain photographers if their photo has no apparent esthetic value!
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Longbeach police policy but no training in what qualifies as apparent esthetic value.
I've had clients at ad agencies like those police!
Longbeach police policy but no training in what qualifies as apparent esthetic value.
I've had clients at ad agencies like those police!
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Ww -- As if that's not suspicious enough behaviour, in Long Beach one can also be detained for asking for an establishment's hours of operation.
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Here's an interesting report from somebody on Google+ taking pictures in Long Beach: https://plus.google.com/u/0/11368320...ts/Ubt3pazAPhZ
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So, what's next? Banning cameras in Long Beach?? In airports, bus stations, and train stations? Why not just ban them in any public space 'cause a person with a camera is either up to some nefarious deed or someone might be offended if they happen to be in a camera's vicinity.
And taking notes? I take notes and doodle all the time whether in an airport or a public place. I write. It's what I do. A cop demands to ask what I'm writing I'll tell him to go *&$ off. Get a warrant.
Same with taking photos.
God, this country has lost its *$#@* mind
And taking notes? I take notes and doodle all the time whether in an airport or a public place. I write. It's what I do. A cop demands to ask what I'm writing I'll tell him to go *&$ off. Get a warrant.
Same with taking photos.
God, this country has lost its *$#@* mind
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Here's an interesting report from somebody on Google+ taking pictures in Long Beach: https://plus.google.com/u/0/11368320...ts/Ubt3pazAPhZ
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My rights were in no way infringed, I was neither frisked nor asked for ID.
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LB courthouse-
Much different- the deputy sheriff was approaching me even before I could take the photograph. I snapped the uninspiring shot anyway as he approached (no aesthitic value right).
The sheriff told me I could not take photographs there.
I responded to them (by now there were two) that I could in fact take photographs from the sidewalk of a public space.
Both insisted that I could not and that a "law" had been passed that prohibits this.
I of course demurred, noting that there was in fact no such law.
They asked me to delete the photos because photography of the inside of the courthouse was prohibited (it indeed is) I declined because well... I was outside of it.
I was then asked if they could see the photographs- I declined as is my right. At this point the sergeant was called and the three of us had a quite pleasant conversation about photography, my camera which they thought was an old Leica (its not) and my bike - both turned out to be avid cyclists.
Much different- the deputy sheriff was approaching me even before I could take the photograph. I snapped the uninspiring shot anyway as he approached (no aesthitic value right).
The sheriff told me I could not take photographs there.
I responded to them (by now there were two) that I could in fact take photographs from the sidewalk of a public space.
Both insisted that I could not and that a "law" had been passed that prohibits this.
I of course demurred, noting that there was in fact no such law.
They asked me to delete the photos because photography of the inside of the courthouse was prohibited (it indeed is) I declined because well... I was outside of it.
I was then asked if they could see the photographs- I declined as is my right. At this point the sergeant was called and the three of us had a quite pleasant conversation about photography, my camera which they thought was an old Leica (its not) and my bike - both turned out to be avid cyclists.
The fact that they wanted to see his pictures, and wanted to delete his pictures, is reason enough to file a complaint.
The fact that he was unlawfully detained by the two officers while waiting for their sergeant to show up and put them in their place would be enough to get me to consider filing a lawsuit, were I in his shoes.
It's time our law enforcement officers were all put in their place, and firmly reminded that they're public SERVANTS.
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Off topic, but maybe not...
Welcome to modern life in the Terrified States of America. Any excess in the name of security.
Welcome to the new police state where no action of "our protectors" is subject to review and high school drop outs interpret our constitutional rights.
Dignity, health and personal rights are waived for those willing to endure travel by air.
Welcome to modern life in the Terrified States of America. Any excess in the name of security.
Welcome to the new police state where no action of "our protectors" is subject to review and high school drop outs interpret our constitutional rights.
Dignity, health and personal rights are waived for those willing to endure travel by air.
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WOW!
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ic-value.shtml
Longbeach police policy but no training in what qualifies as apparent esthetic value.
I've had clients at ad agencies like those police!
Longbeach police policy but no training in what qualifies as apparent esthetic value.
I've had clients at ad agencies like those police!
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Off topic, but maybe not...
Welcome to modern life in the Terrified States of America. Any excess in the name of security.
Welcome to the new police state where no action of "our protectors" is subject to review and high school drop outs interpret our constitutional rights.
Dignity, health and personal rights are waived for those willing to endure travel by air.
Welcome to modern life in the Terrified States of America. Any excess in the name of security.
Welcome to the new police state where no action of "our protectors" is subject to review and high school drop outs interpret our constitutional rights.
Dignity, health and personal rights are waived for those willing to endure travel by air.
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(Yes, there are detailed criteria that I haven't outlined above, and no, I don't agree with it)
The fact that he was unlawfully detained by the two officers while waiting for their sergeant to show up and put them in their place would be enough to get me to consider filing a lawsuit, were I in his shoes.
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