Oct 2, 2016, 3:40 pm
Last edit by: SinoBritAsia
Confirmed:
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
SCMP, Oct 2, 2016: Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific to introduce 10-abreast seating in its Boeing planes
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Hong Kong Cathay Pacific passengers to feel the squeeze in push for profits
SCMP, March 31, 2017: Inside Cathay Pacific's new condensed economy class
48 long-haul 777s to be retrofitted. 17 regionals (including the 5 ex-Emirates aircraft). Five of the earliest 77W long-haul fleet (all first-class) to be phased out.
New seat details
Seat legroom: 32" (no change)
Seat width: 17.2" (down 1.3")
IFE screen: 12" (up 3")
Extra personal storage
New six-way headrest (similar to A350 but not like-for-like)
Wi-Fi
Thinner seats but extra padding
Economy class retrofit from mid-2018 to 2020
10% more economy seats
19 extra Y seats to 201 in 4-class 777: for 294 passengers.
28 extra Y seats to 296 in 3-class 777: for 368 passengers.
40 extra Y seats to 396 in regional 777: for 438 passengers.
CX considering [confirmed] having 10 seats per row?
Apr 25, 2017, 5:41 am
#496
Join Date: Jan 2017
Programs: BA SL, CX GR, IHG Plat Amb
Posts: 579
The 77W's will get a new seat as well as new bigger HD screens while the regional 773's will get a new seat but the screens from the current 77W. Bummer really.
First batch of aircraft to get the new seats will be the 5 ex-Emirates ones.
Curious to know, does anyone remember the seat with of the 74A's and 74K? My last longhaul 747 flight was to London years ago and it wasn't that bad. (Even though the middle seat was empty) Edit: Looks like the seat was 17.5. Hopefully 17.5 and 17.2 would be a minimal to nil difference.
And I think the mods can change the title as they have pretty much confirmed 10 abreast.
First batch of aircraft to get the new seats will be the 5 ex-Emirates ones.
Curious to know, does anyone remember the seat with of the 74A's and 74K? My last longhaul 747 flight was to London years ago and it wasn't that bad. (Even though the middle seat was empty) Edit: Looks like the seat was 17.5. Hopefully 17.5 and 17.2 would be a minimal to nil difference.
And I think the mods can change the title as they have pretty much confirmed 10 abreast.
Apr 25, 2017, 5:50 am
#497
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: CX Green, QF Platinum, BAEC Silver, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 10,780
"The Journey" magazine says that the base seat is Recaro and the same as that used by Qatar and KLM but with specific CX customisations.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...l#post28226539
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...l#post28226539
Apr 25, 2017, 5:55 am
#498
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Some hole
Posts: 2,783
Economy seats
A359 - Customized B/E Aerospace Pinnacle
A351 - Customized HAECO Vector Y+
New 10-abreast 773 - Customized Recaro CL3710 (screens coming from the 77W)
New 10-abreast 77W - Customized Recaro CL3710 (brand new HD screens)
A359 - Customized B/E Aerospace Pinnacle
A351 - Customized HAECO Vector Y+
New 10-abreast 773 - Customized Recaro CL3710 (screens coming from the 77W)
New 10-abreast 77W - Customized Recaro CL3710 (brand new HD screens)
Apr 25, 2017, 7:26 am
#499
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: HKG
Programs: CX DM, SPG Pt, Le Club Accor GO, Shangri-La GC Jade
Posts: 1,327
The 77W's will get a new seat as well as new bigger HD screens while the regional 773's will get a new seat but the screens from the current 77W. Bummer really.
First batch of aircraft to get the new seats will be the 5 ex-Emirates ones.
Curious to know, does anyone remember the seat with of the 74A's and 74K? My last longhaul 747 flight was to London years ago and it wasn't that bad. (Even though the middle seat was empty) Edit: Looks like the seat was 17.5. Hopefully 17.5 and 17.2 would be a minimal to nil difference.
And I think the mods can change the title as they have pretty much confirmed 10 abreast.
First batch of aircraft to get the new seats will be the 5 ex-Emirates ones.
Curious to know, does anyone remember the seat with of the 74A's and 74K? My last longhaul 747 flight was to London years ago and it wasn't that bad. (Even though the middle seat was empty) Edit: Looks like the seat was 17.5. Hopefully 17.5 and 17.2 would be a minimal to nil difference.
And I think the mods can change the title as they have pretty much confirmed 10 abreast.
747 seat v. 777 seat: I'd say that goes down to the armrest.... that is quite crucial as it is the determining factor of how wide you feel the seat is. Also my bet is on you'll think the 777 seat feels better as the 747 seats.... were those fixed back
"The Journey" magazine says that the base seat is Recaro and the same as that used by Qatar and KLM but with specific CX customisations.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...l#post28226539
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...l#post28226539
What was the process for consumer testing?
We invited 50 customers to test different versions of the seat...
...
How will you convince people that this will not impact the passenger experience?
We will have spent a few years developing this product. ... We are confident that the consideration that has gone into the design and the Service Straight from the Heart delivered by our crew will be a winning combination.
We invited 50 customers to test different versions of the seat...
...
How will you convince people that this will not impact the passenger experience?
We will have spent a few years developing this product. ... We are confident that the consideration that has gone into the design and the Service Straight from the Heart delivered by our crew will be a winning combination.
2. I thought they've also spent few years time in designing FB1, the fixed back Y and the new regional J seat......
Apr 26, 2017, 12:52 am
#500
Join Date: Oct 2013
Programs: CX DM, QF PL
Posts: 96
Let's get some perspective ...
How many people should come in to test an EY seat? 50, 100, 200? Given that CX fly 100,000 / day, most in EY, any testing is going to be limited.
Why assume DM+? I have been asked by CX to trial things (online and at CX) and they have also been precise about why I gave been asked. CX may get things wrong, but they are not going to ask FCL / JCL flyers to test an EY seat ...
Yes, they probably spent time testing FB1, Reg J, but they also did with FB2, new 350 JCL (great seat, build quality aside), and the new PEY (best in the sky based on the 3 times I have flown it).
I really don't understand the rush to bash CX over a seat design before you have seen or tried it! Imagine ... "yeah, that BMW is crap. it is hasn't been built yet, no one has seen it, and no one has driven it, but it's crap"
Apr 26, 2017, 2:23 am
#501
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: HKG
Programs: CX DM, SPG Pt, Le Club Accor GO, Shangri-La GC Jade
Posts: 1,327
Let's get some perspective ...
How many people should come in to test an EY seat? 50, 100, 200? Given that CX fly 100,000 / day, most in EY, any testing is going to be limited.
Why assume DM+? I have been asked by CX to trial things (online and at CX) and they have also been precise about why I gave been asked. CX may get things wrong, but they are not going to ask FCL / JCL flyers to test an EY seat ...
Yes, they probably spent time testing FB1, Reg J, but they also did with FB2, new 350 JCL (great seat, build quality aside), and the new PEY (best in the sky based on the 3 times I have flown it).
I really don't understand the rush to bash CX over a seat design before you have seen or tried it! Imagine ... "yeah, that BMW is crap. it is hasn't been built yet, no one has seen it, and no one has driven it, but it's crap"
How many people should come in to test an EY seat? 50, 100, 200? Given that CX fly 100,000 / day, most in EY, any testing is going to be limited.
Why assume DM+? I have been asked by CX to trial things (online and at CX) and they have also been precise about why I gave been asked. CX may get things wrong, but they are not going to ask FCL / JCL flyers to test an EY seat ...
Yes, they probably spent time testing FB1, Reg J, but they also did with FB2, new 350 JCL (great seat, build quality aside), and the new PEY (best in the sky based on the 3 times I have flown it).
I really don't understand the rush to bash CX over a seat design before you have seen or tried it! Imagine ... "yeah, that BMW is crap. it is hasn't been built yet, no one has seen it, and no one has driven it, but it's crap"
For the successful products like FB2 / 2.5, 350 PEY etc, all are the results of poorly received version 1 product when massive flyers give them feedback AFTER the product has been rollout... That's also why people keep saying CX can't do things right with the first generation product....
And why I think it's DM+ is because I've never heard any of my DM friends / colleagues based in HK (some of them flying Y heavily like me) being invited to any such event. Perception could be wrong though i admit
Years ago when they roll out FB1 and the fixed back Y, they had a booth with some sample seats in Festival Walk for people to try out... My first impression was both were very good in that short period of time... Not until I really fly them some minor design flaws becomes annoyance in they sky... And that's already too late to correct them as they've been launched....
I can only see history repeating itself more than often.... Of course hopefully they will get it right as I'm a shareholder as well... But really, not optimistic about it
Apr 26, 2017, 6:37 am
#502
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,800
What are the odds the passengers were asked to sit in a full 3- or 4-row of seats?
Apr 26, 2017, 6:57 am
#503
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: HKG
Programs: CX DM, SPG Pt, Le Club Accor GO, Shangri-La GC Jade
Posts: 1,327
For long-haul - Not much experience, as fortunately I can put myself in PEY (by miles or self-funded upgrade) for long haul flights most of the time
But shouldn't testing be done in the toughest environment? It'd definitely be acceptable if the B E F J seats are empty.... But then why need to spend so much money to make it 3-4-3?
Aug 14, 2017, 8:21 pm
#504
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Join Date: May 2009
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Runwaygirlnetwork published a post which largely mirrors my comparison of various equipment configs.
(Also mirrors my assertion that Airbus aircraft lend to more comfortable passenger configs vs. Boeing whose aircraft can and are usually squeezed)
https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/0...onto-airlines/
(Also mirrors my assertion that Airbus aircraft lend to more comfortable passenger configs vs. Boeing whose aircraft can and are usually squeezed)
https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/0...onto-airlines/
Just as a comparison, general averages on each type of equipment (trying to be airline-neutral and preferring measurements that give one decimal point):
777 10-abreast: 17.2 inches https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2014/1...o-matter-spin/
787 9-abreast: 17.2 inches http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/201...ying-on-a-787/
737: 17.2 inches http://www.airlinereporter.com/2010/...or-boeing-737/
A320: 17.7 inches http://www.airlinereporter.com/2010/...or-boeing-737/
A330/340: 17.8 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...bus_A340_E.php
777 9-abreast: 18.5 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...77-300ER_A.php
747: 17.5 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...00_Class_4.php
A380: 18.5 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Qat...irbus_A380.php
From my experience in the back:
777 10-abreast: Very uncomfotable (above)
787 9-abreast: OK if not full. May be more uncomfortable if full
737: noticeably more cramped than an A320
A320: reasonably comfortable
A330/340: comfortable
777 9-abreast: very comfortable
747: minimum level I will accept for long-haul/if I have to sleep
A380: very comfortable (I think sxc's description is apt)
777 10-abreast: 17.2 inches https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2014/1...o-matter-spin/
787 9-abreast: 17.2 inches http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/201...ying-on-a-787/
737: 17.2 inches http://www.airlinereporter.com/2010/...or-boeing-737/
A320: 17.7 inches http://www.airlinereporter.com/2010/...or-boeing-737/
A330/340: 17.8 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...bus_A340_E.php
777 9-abreast: 18.5 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...77-300ER_A.php
747: 17.5 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...00_Class_4.php
A380: 18.5 inches http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Qat...irbus_A380.php
From my experience in the back:
777 10-abreast: Very uncomfotable (above)
787 9-abreast: OK if not full. May be more uncomfortable if full
737: noticeably more cramped than an A320
A320: reasonably comfortable
A330/340: comfortable
777 9-abreast: very comfortable
747: minimum level I will accept for long-haul/if I have to sleep
A380: very comfortable (I think sxc's description is apt)
Last edited by percysmith; Aug 14, 2017 at 8:37 pm
Aug 15, 2017, 2:51 am
#505
Join Date: Nov 2010
Programs: IHG Platinum
Posts: 1,066
When CX's B777s go 3-4-3, connecting might be worth it. For a HKG-LAX itinerary, I would be willing to fly HKG-SFO on A350 3-3-3 + SFO-LAX
Aug 15, 2017, 3:38 am
#506
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: SYD | HGH
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Posts: 2,121
Aug 15, 2017, 3:49 am
#507
Aug 15, 2017, 3:51 am
#508
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,421
They make seats now
is SWIRE trying to make every airline support operation in house?
Aug 15, 2017, 4:25 am
#509
Join Date: May 2016
Location: HKG
Programs: CX DM, SQ Gold
Posts: 81
I sure wished they asked people to sit on it for 6-12 hours before providing feedback. That for me is more important than a large sample size of sitting on it for 10-30 minutes testing it out like they were in an Osim seat massager. The latter being the most likely to have happened.