Cathay Potential A380 Order
May 27, 2012, 5:51 pm
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May 27, 2012, 8:55 pm
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If anything, the 748i seems to make more sense since they operate the freighter version, and for maintenance purposes, it's essentially one fleet type.
But the bigger question, as has already been raised here, is about CX needing something so large.
HKG is uniquely positioned (geographically) where it can act a lot like DXB, DOH, etc. from a connection standpoint, so it seems to me serving a bunch of cities with 77Ws would be the better strategy for CX.
But then again, what do I know about running an airline.
But the bigger question, as has already been raised here, is about CX needing something so large.
HKG is uniquely positioned (geographically) where it can act a lot like DXB, DOH, etc. from a connection standpoint, so it seems to me serving a bunch of cities with 77Ws would be the better strategy for CX.
But then again, what do I know about running an airline.
May 27, 2012, 9:12 pm
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May 27, 2012, 11:31 pm
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Does people still think CX will veer away from their current more frequency but smaller efficient plane versus the one big plane but less frequent trips strategy ?
IMHO, I think the industry and CX particularly, would not go back to four engine except if the route really calls for it (of which there are a lot, regional wise*, but few long haul). In their shoes, I would simply buy more 777, hopefully 787s, and also 350s for regional.
(* as an example HKG-MNL has more than five daily flights and some already with 747 in the rotation, but if CX switch to say a A330 or a 777 out of the blue for this route, its not an issue since there would be more frequency).
747s have always been my favorite, but with the 777 a better/at par option both operational efficiency and pax capacity wise, its hard to imagine wanting to go even bigger to like the A380.
Me also thinks given that if CX does want >400 pax, it would pick the 747-8I as cargo is supposedly better than the A380 and as fellow posters has indicated, CX already has the Freighter version.
IMHO, I think the industry and CX particularly, would not go back to four engine except if the route really calls for it (of which there are a lot, regional wise*, but few long haul). In their shoes, I would simply buy more 777, hopefully 787s, and also 350s for regional.
(* as an example HKG-MNL has more than five daily flights and some already with 747 in the rotation, but if CX switch to say a A330 or a 777 out of the blue for this route, its not an issue since there would be more frequency).
747s have always been my favorite, but with the 777 a better/at par option both operational efficiency and pax capacity wise, its hard to imagine wanting to go even bigger to like the A380.
Me also thinks given that if CX does want >400 pax, it would pick the 747-8I as cargo is supposedly better than the A380 and as fellow posters has indicated, CX already has the Freighter version.
May 28, 2012, 12:12 am
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I think that A380 is no use for CX unless Airbus sold them super cheap to grab another customer, 777-9X is the way to go. A350-1000 will have to wait for the performance specs, as they are still not finalised.
May 28, 2012, 1:09 pm
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Not A350-1000 as even Etihad and Emirates are trying to get rid of it
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...rs-from-etihad
B777-8x or 9x is definitely the right and wise call, but they won't be operational until the end of the decade as the proposed enhancement hasn't been announcement yet...
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...rs-from-etihad
B777-8x or 9x is definitely the right and wise call, but they won't be operational until the end of the decade as the proposed enhancement hasn't been announcement yet...
By the time CX actually gets their proposed A380s, the issues will have been long fixed...
I think that A380 is no use for CX unless Airbus sold them super cheap to grab another customer, 777-9X is the way to go. A350-1000 will have to wait for the performance specs, as they are still not finalised.
I think that A380 is no use for CX unless Airbus sold them super cheap to grab another customer, 777-9X is the way to go. A350-1000 will have to wait for the performance specs, as they are still not finalised.
May 28, 2012, 9:52 pm
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The main reason will be for slot constrained airports ie LHR. If this really is a problem, I imagine they will get 747-8s just because they can be delivered pretty quickly and have a lot of space for cargo.
May 29, 2012, 3:08 am
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84O00J20120525
forget engine blowouts, looks like the wings will snap any second...
forget engine blowouts, looks like the wings will snap any second...
Jun 22, 2012, 4:46 pm
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Source: http://www.air-cosmos.com/aviation-c...rbus-a380.html
(Translated via Google)
(Translated via Google)
Cathay Pacific Airways is still not eager to buy the Airbus A380.
"Our strategy is organized around the twin-engine long-haul Airbus A330 and Boeing 777-300ER," said John Slosar, president of the company, upon receipt of an A330-300 in Toulouse, Saturday, June 15
He continued: "Hong Kong is a destination of businessmen. They want first frequency".
"Therefore, we prefer to offer three daily frequencies between two destinations rather than," said John Slosar who, polished, not to "insult the future" adding that Cathay Pacific "kept an eye on the A380."
His predecessor, Tony Tyler, had been more "brutal". "The A380 means at least one hundred more seats than the 747. Seats need to complete and return with a customer unit revenue higher" he explained.
He added: "this category of passengers does not necessarily put a traffic flow smooth enough. Another disadvantage of the A380 is an increased cargo in the hold insufficient. But for Cathay Pacific, freight is an important gives. It now accounts for 30% of our total turnover ".
If the A380 does not always interested in Cathay Pacific, the latter logically ordered the A350 at a rate of 36 copies.
"Our strategy is organized around the twin-engine long-haul Airbus A330 and Boeing 777-300ER," said John Slosar, president of the company, upon receipt of an A330-300 in Toulouse, Saturday, June 15
He continued: "Hong Kong is a destination of businessmen. They want first frequency".
"Therefore, we prefer to offer three daily frequencies between two destinations rather than," said John Slosar who, polished, not to "insult the future" adding that Cathay Pacific "kept an eye on the A380."
His predecessor, Tony Tyler, had been more "brutal". "The A380 means at least one hundred more seats than the 747. Seats need to complete and return with a customer unit revenue higher" he explained.
He added: "this category of passengers does not necessarily put a traffic flow smooth enough. Another disadvantage of the A380 is an increased cargo in the hold insufficient. But for Cathay Pacific, freight is an important gives. It now accounts for 30% of our total turnover ".
If the A380 does not always interested in Cathay Pacific, the latter logically ordered the A350 at a rate of 36 copies.
Jun 23, 2012, 12:46 am
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I dont think CX will order A380 because of poor cargo uplift performance. SQ A380 with full pax flying to Australia, does not have any payload for cargo. On the other hand, 777-300ER is more cargo friendly.
Jul 12, 2012, 2:39 am
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(Not directly related to CX but still relevant to CX's decision whether to buy 380 or not) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-dwindles.html
I'm glad CX hasn't gone for the A380 yet and won't go soon. No point suffering excessive fuel bills on the A380 will then have to be recovered on us passengers as a whole.
I'm glad CX hasn't gone for the A380 yet and won't go soon. No point suffering excessive fuel bills on the A380 will then have to be recovered on us passengers as a whole.
Jul 12, 2012, 3:18 am
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(Not directly related to CX but still relevant to CX's decision whether to buy 380 or not) http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-dwindles.html
I'm glad CX hasn't gone for the A380 yet and won't go soon. No point suffering excessive fuel bills on the A380 will then have to be recovered on us passengers as a whole.
I'm glad CX hasn't gone for the A380 yet and won't go soon. No point suffering excessive fuel bills on the A380 will then have to be recovered on us passengers as a whole.
Jul 12, 2012, 5:04 am
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This too (tho this is from The Bearded One)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-optimism.html
Adding bigger planes such as the six Airbus SAS (EAD) A380s that Virgin Atlantic has on order would help squeeze more traffic out of the carrier’s limited slots, though business passengers tend to prefer a range of departures and the current global economic situation isn’t ideal for the model, Branson said.
“I think the A380s in this current climate we will delay further, because there’s a recession going on,” he said. “What we want are slightly smaller, slightly more efficient planes.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-optimism.html
Adding bigger planes such as the six Airbus SAS (EAD) A380s that Virgin Atlantic has on order would help squeeze more traffic out of the carrier’s limited slots, though business passengers tend to prefer a range of departures and the current global economic situation isn’t ideal for the model, Branson said.
“I think the A380s in this current climate we will delay further, because there’s a recession going on,” he said. “What we want are slightly smaller, slightly more efficient planes.”
Jul 12, 2012, 6:11 am
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Not to mention the current teething issues with the aircraft. Afterall, its the first aircraft for Arbus in the jumbo market. As far as the A350's go, I think its a safe bet. I guess they learned their mistakes from the flaws of the A345/A346. The A330's have hit the right notes for CX and apparently CX is in love with them. So the A350's will just hit the right note for them I predict.