ex TPE I fares getting tighter as of Oct1
Sep 27, 2013, 5:46 pm
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ex TPE I fares getting tighter as of Oct1
This is first hand info from CX insider in taipei. So they will be making it harder to use the ex TPE discounted J... some of the changes:
1) ex TPE "C" fares which you can use Diamond gurantee will increase by about 30-40k TWD making them unattractive.
2) ex TPE "I" fares will increase by 10k TWD so they are priced above ex HK Y+ fares (at some time u can buy I fares below Y+ ex HK!)
3) To prevent people like me based in HK
flying to TPE, they will tighten some of the stop-over rules. For example Australia I fare currently allow 1 stopover outbound, but that will become no - stopover in both direction. Note that NA flights already don't allow stopover in HK....
4) the agent didn't mention but was told to "stay very low key" about the last segment of ex-TPE... sounds like they will find a way to police the "ditching of last segment" or prevent it...
If I was running the show, I would make ex-HK I fares so attractive for leisure travellers whilst keeping it off limit to business travellers. For example make the change fee with heavy penalty (say 5k-10k HKD for each change) which will rule out corporate users... OR make them minimum 3 nights stay (again make it business unfriendly). and make I-fare ineligible for companion fare, to prevent couple flying too cheaply.. There are ways to maximize ex-HK I class revenue without attracting business travellers. That way CX can fill I-seats with the niche market.
The problem is CX thinks ex-TPE I fares are diluting revenue and cx is "lossing out". They are wrong - these people would otherwise fly ex-HK Economy so CX do end up getting more revenue and probably higher yield... if pax are wealthy enough they would buy ex HK J fare without a blink, the type of guys who goes the trouble to fly to TPE to start their journey would happily purchase CX J out of HK, so why aren't they focused there.
1) ex TPE "C" fares which you can use Diamond gurantee will increase by about 30-40k TWD making them unattractive.
2) ex TPE "I" fares will increase by 10k TWD so they are priced above ex HK Y+ fares (at some time u can buy I fares below Y+ ex HK!)
3) To prevent people like me based in HK
flying to TPE, they will tighten some of the stop-over rules. For example Australia I fare currently allow 1 stopover outbound, but that will become no - stopover in both direction. Note that NA flights already don't allow stopover in HK....4) the agent didn't mention but was told to "stay very low key" about the last segment of ex-TPE... sounds like they will find a way to police the "ditching of last segment" or prevent it...
If I was running the show, I would make ex-HK I fares so attractive for leisure travellers whilst keeping it off limit to business travellers. For example make the change fee with heavy penalty (say 5k-10k HKD for each change) which will rule out corporate users... OR make them minimum 3 nights stay (again make it business unfriendly). and make I-fare ineligible for companion fare, to prevent couple flying too cheaply.. There are ways to maximize ex-HK I class revenue without attracting business travellers. That way CX can fill I-seats with the niche market.
The problem is CX thinks ex-TPE I fares are diluting revenue and cx is "lossing out". They are wrong - these people would otherwise fly ex-HK Economy so CX do end up getting more revenue and probably higher yield... if pax are wealthy enough they would buy ex HK J fare without a blink, the type of guys who goes the trouble to fly to TPE to start their journey would happily purchase CX J out of HK, so why aren't they focused there.
Sep 27, 2013, 6:01 pm
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Big mistake if MH keeps pricing J to Australia at PE prices...
Sep 27, 2013, 7:29 pm
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If I was running the show, I would make ex-HK I fares so attractive for leisure travellers whilst keeping it off limit to business travellers.
The problem is CX thinks ex-TPE I fares are diluting revenue and cx is "lossing out". They are wrong - these people would otherwise fly ex-HK Economy so CX do end up getting more revenue and probably higher yield... if pax are wealthy enough they would buy ex HK J fare without a blink, the type of guys who goes the trouble to fly to TPE to start their journey would happily purchase CX J out of HK, so why aren't they focused there.
i would definitely drop down to GO if I-class fares ex-TPE go away. all my shorthaul flights are revenue (longhaul flights are awards) - and i need those extra sectors doing turnarounds at TPE.
i don't mind paying ex-HKG J fares at all, but they wouldn't give me the extra sectors
perhaps they should just get rid of the ex-TPE I fares for longhaul?
Sep 27, 2013, 9:06 pm
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Seems related - I am unable to price TPE-MNL with flexible travel date for business class for these 2 days.
However, I am able to get I class by selecting "must travel on these dates" and the price is TWD18,423 before tax and surcharges which, if I remember correctly, is higher than before.
Another strange thing is that I am unable to book TPE-PEK while avoiding Air China (as a CX/KA code share).
I cannot retrieve the fare rule from EF as well.
However, I am able to get I class by selecting "must travel on these dates" and the price is TWD18,423 before tax and surcharges which, if I remember correctly, is higher than before.
Another strange thing is that I am unable to book TPE-PEK while avoiding Air China (as a CX/KA code share).
I cannot retrieve the fare rule from EF as well.
Last edited by LchChester; Sep 27, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Sep 27, 2013, 10:04 pm
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Oh no. Seems true. All the fares are higher and less flexible.
Sep 27, 2013, 11:40 pm
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Sep 28, 2013, 3:35 am
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Sep 28, 2013, 8:36 am
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i think there's a limit as to how much they can charge ex-TPE tickets. adding restrictions is easier and makes more commercial sense.
CX still needs to be competitive with BR and CI as they fly many routes direct (especially to Mainland China), and they also need to compete with airlines like SQ and EK (DXB-TPE direct from 2.2014 onwards).
so i'm still keeping my hopes up. i'll requalify for DM by Dec 2013, so my fingers are crossed for requalifying by Dec 2014.
CX still needs to be competitive with BR and CI as they fly many routes direct (especially to Mainland China), and they also need to compete with airlines like SQ and EK (DXB-TPE direct from 2.2014 onwards).
so i'm still keeping my hopes up. i'll requalify for DM by Dec 2013, so my fingers are crossed for requalifying by Dec 2014.
Sep 28, 2013, 9:53 am
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Are ex-CMB fares affected?
Sep 28, 2013, 5:24 pm
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For the sake of repeating myself time and time again, they watch this forum and act on it, here we are again debating another perk lost and its because you all explain to CX what they are doing wrong
Sep 28, 2013, 6:38 pm
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Sep 29, 2013, 12:08 am
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Yup. So cx is losing my business there. I rather pay a bit more to take Eva or transitasia from tpe to sin as it has no transit and the planes j class has better good choice and bigger seats unless I class fare difference is so enticing for me to buy it. So u might want to reconsider ur choice.
Sep 29, 2013, 12:11 am
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